Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News IV

2014-12-24 Thread jonathon
On 24/12/14 02:23, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > Instead of digesting for you the week on the mailing list, I want you to > think carefully and say if Devuan Weekly News > > a) is useful > b) should be coordinated with such announcements The way I see it, DWN provides a synopsis of what happ

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-24 Thread Alex 'AdUser' Z
I was late to the main discussion, but i want show you intresting thoughts from one of the oldest DD: http://blog.liw.fi/posts/debian-developing-it-wrong/ Some items (deb-internals related) very hard to implement without partly/complete loss of compatibility. * smart build tools * debian/rules cl

[Dng] Devuan and Accessibility

2014-12-24 Thread Mike Ray
Hello list, I was pleased a few days ago to read about Devuan. I don't fully understand the nature of the furure that has grown up around systemd but diversity in the Linux gene-pool has only to be a good thing. And developers that contribute significant amounts of time and effort don't deserve

[Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread m_maass
Dear Freedom lovers, i would suggest to you this project https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse and would say thank for your efforts. Cheers, and Happy Grav'Mass! Mike ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Jude Nelson
+1 for apulse. It's proven stable enough for Skype calls in my (limited) experience with it, which is the only reason I would have had for installing PulseAudio (ideally I'd avoid Skype altogether, but it's required for $DAYJOB). -Jude On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:13 PM, m_maass wrote: > Dear Fr

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:26:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: > +1 for apulse. It's proven stable enough for Skype calls in my (limited) > experience with it, which is the only reason I would have had for > installing PulseAudio (ideally I'd avoid Skype altogether, but it's > required for $DAYJOB).

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Jude Nelson
I'm not that worried about the fact that the author considers it "done." It's not like you have to oil it and give it tune-ups to keep it working ;) Fortunately, it's not that complex of a program--if any incompatibilities or bugs are discovered down the road, it shouldn't take much effort to fix

Re: [Dng] system scriptinng language.

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/23/2014 11:44 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: Hi T.J., sorry this is late--this thread got lost in my inbox. Thank you for your feedback regarding GPLv3. My reason for choosing it was because it explicitly grants an irrevocable patent license to downstream coders, whereas GPLv2 does not. I woul

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/24/2014 11:13 AM, m_maass wrote: Dear Freedom lovers, i would suggest to you this project https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse and would say thank for your efforts. Cheers, and Happy Grav'Mass! What is wrong with PulseAudio? I agree, it can be a PITA, but unless you are concerned about

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
Thanks Alex! That is _exactly_ some of what I was grousing about. On 12/24/2014 8:16 AM, Alex 'AdUser' Z wrote: I was late to the main discussion, but i want show you intresting thoughts from one of the oldest DD: http://blog.liw.fi/posts/debian-developing-it-wrong/ Some items (deb-internals

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Alex 'AdUser' Z
All text below is IMHO. Package: pulseaudio Version: 2.0-6.1 <...> Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.24.1), libc6 (>= 2.9), libcap2 (>= 2.10), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libfftw3-3, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libltdl7 (>= 2.4.2), liborc-0.4-0 (>= 1:0.4.16), libpulse0 (= 2.0-6.1), libsample

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 04:45:01PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > What is wrong with PulseAudio? I agree, it can be a PITA, but > unless you are concerned about some kind of systemd dependency I do > not understand why Devuan would be seeking a replacement. It's no > worse than Jack or any of the o

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/24/2014 5:58 PM, Alex 'AdUser' Z wrote: All text below is IMHO. Package: pulseaudio Version: 2.0-6.1 <...> Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.24.1), libc6 (>= 2.9), libcap2 (>= 2.10), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libfftw3-3, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libltdl7 (>= 2.4.2), liborc-0.4-

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/24/2014 6:48 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: I think it's better to think about what do we get to gain and what to lose from pulseaudio. Gains: * ability to reroute streams mid-run (like, speakers->headphones), but only if they are connected to physically separate sound cards * a common way t

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Richard
Thanks, T.J., for an insightful observation. I'm running a Wheezy based distro at present planning to stay with it until a more lasting solution comes along. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dn

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/24/2014 8:30 PM, Richard wrote: Thanks, T.J., for an insightful observation. I'm running a Wheezy based distro at present planning to stay with it until a more lasting solution comes along. I still have Wheezy myself. Given what has been going on with Debian, I've taken it on mysel

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 08:08:57PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > >Package: pulseaudio > > 1st group- > >libsystemd-daemon0 (>= 31), libsystemd-login0 (>= 31), > You can compile up to at least PA 4 without any references to > systemd. I should know, I've personally backported to Whe

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Joel Roth
T.J. Duchene wrote: > Adam Borowski wrote: > >I think it's better to think about what do we get to gain and what to lose > >from pulseaudio. > >Problems: > > * likes to take 100% of a CPU core for no obvious reasons > Older versions, yes. There is also the fact that is more than just one > laye

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/24/2014 9:44 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Hi T.J., Do you have reference for that? Not directly, Joel. What I remember is reading about race considerations on Wheezy. There were warnings that improper setups could cause lockups with 100% CPU. Maybe you can start there if you really want to

Re: [Dng] sugestion apulse as pulseaudio replcement

2014-12-24 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
+10! Currently, that pulseaudio thing consumes ~7% of my CPU while I'm not playing a single song!! Poettering job, right?! tsc...tsc... Also, I don't use Skype, so, I don't mind to stick only with Alsa, if I can use VLC, that's fine... :-) Nevertheless, it is good to know that Skype works wit