Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:15:24 +0100 Anthony Scemama пишет: > I found this image on the web: > > http://tux.crystalxp.net/png/kros753-kiss-the-demon-2286.png > > ​ > It's a good mix between KISS and Linux! > If you like it, I can ask the guys from CrystalXP.net if it can be > used for Devuan. I g

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:39:06 +0100 Didier Kryn пишет: > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo > question. It must go beyond "sans-systemd"; > it is more about principles. Let's list some: > > - freedom of choice, > - interchangealility of solutions to a given need,

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:05:49 + KatolaZ пишет: > If it is true that "freedom of choice" sounds like a cool flagship, on > the other hand we effectively have no freedom at all about the choice > of the large majority of the core components of a GNU/Linux system, > starting with the libc and cont

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-27 Thread Ста Деюс
В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:19:04 + KatolaZ пишет: > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс > > wrote: > > > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» > > > from the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? > > > In other words, if the guys come to «Dev

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-26 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Anthony Scemama wrote: > I found this image on the web: > > http://tux.crystalxp.net/png/kros753-kiss-the-demon-2286.png > > It's a good mix between KISS and Linux! > If you like it, I can ask the guys from CrystalXP.net if it can be used for > Devuan. I don't wan

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-26 Thread Anthony Scemama
On 02/24/2015 09:54 PM, Vernon Geiszler wrote: > >> > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo > question. It > >>> must go beyond "sans-systemd"; > > >> it is more about principles. Let's list some: > > >> > >> > - freedom of choice, > >> > - interchangealility of solution

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-24 Thread Vernon Geiszler
>> > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo question. It >>> must go beyond "sans-systemd"; > >> it is more about principles. Let's list some: > >> >> > - freedom of choice, >> > - interchangealility of solutions to a given need, >> > - reduce inter-dependencies to the st

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Peter Olson
> On February 23, 2015 at 7:35 PM Gravis wrote: > > > ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it > would be systemd. ;) > > --Gravis I have this image of the scene late in Tron where the MCP is turning red in the uplink after the data disk has been hurled into it.

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Noel Torres
On Tuesday, 24 de February de 2015 00:35:59 Gravis escribió: > ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it > would be systemd. ;) Partitioning memory, controlling permissions, access to hardware, managing networks, shredding programs from memory... I always thought MCP

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Gravis
ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it would be systemd. ;) --Gravis On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: > If we're going to make allusions to media, my suggestion comes from TRON: > "Devuan fights for the Users" > > -Jude > > On Mon, Feb 23, 201

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Jude Nelson
If we're going to make allusions to media, my suggestion comes from TRON: "Devuan fights for the Users" -Jude On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 03:54:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > > D

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Noel Torres
On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 23:48:36 Nuno Magalhães escribió: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Unless, of course, we choose to use the band's logo as well... > > Paul Stanley's tongue... Tux sticking its tongue out... dunno. Anyway > will Devuan have release names

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Joel Roth
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 03:54:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > > > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit : > > > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс > > > >wrote: > > > >>But, at the first, wh

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Unless, of course, we choose to use the band's logo as well... Paul Stanley's tongue... Tux sticking its tongue out... dunno. Anyway will Devuan have release names? I'd go with Calimero for 1.0. ___

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit : > > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс > > >wrote: > > >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from > > >>the guys, that got h

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 07:47:32 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo > > question. It must go beyond "sans-systemd"; > > it is more about principles. Let's list some: > > > > - freedom of choice, > > - interchangealil

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Joel Roth
Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit : > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote: > >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from > >>the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other > >>words, if the guys come t

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Martijn Dekkers
> > I think of another side of the medal: how the just starting project. w/ > a lot of work to be done ahead, is going to be protected in the future > -- to share not the fate of «Debian»? > [...] > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from > the guys, that got hold of

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Martijn Dekkers
> > But we have to be realistic here: in the last 15 years the > requirements for a "minimal" install of a GNU/Linux system have > enormously expanded in size, number and variety of packages. No distro > can currently install a working system for less than about 1 GB, even > without X, and this is

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 02:39:06PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit : > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote: > >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from > >>the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debia

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit : On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote: But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other words, if the guys come to «Devuan» and by their cruelty wil

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:04:05PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote: > > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from > > the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other > > words, if the guys come to «Devu

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote: > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from > the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other > words, if the guys come to «Devuan» and by their cruelty will start > to «help» some of developers to co

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, R.M.. Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:10:45 +, вы писали: > T.J.'s opinions make a lot of sense to me and I suspect also to > others reading this list. Many people who have in the past relied > upon Debian Linux as a solid platform for doing productive work are >

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Didier. Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:31:33 +0100, вы писали: > I think it is fine that T.J.Duchene gives his opinion, although > I disagree with him. I'm very optimistic about Systemd-free Linux, so > optimistic that I think Devuan is simply preparing the fut

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Martijn. Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:34:59 +0200, вы писали: > I (my company) looks after a lot of servers, and we are *always* > looking for ways to make things go better, faster, and stronger :) > automation is a *huge* part of what we do, as is security. Systemd

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-03 Thread Martijn Dekkers
Hi, The reason why RedHat develops and enforces systemd is clear to me: they > have customers paying for a ready-made system that RedHat would maintain. > They want to increase their productivity by introducing tools which > automate things as much as possible, plus security-related features -- a

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-03 Thread Didier Kryn
I think it is fine that T.J.Duchene gives his opinion, although I disagree with him. I'm very optimistic about Systemd-free Linux, so optimistic that I think Devuan is simply preparing the future of Debian. The reason why RedHat develops and enforces systemd is clear to me: they have c

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-03 Thread R.M. Thomas
On 03/02/15 07:04, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 00:21:06 -0600 From: t.j.duch...@gmail.com To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd Message-ID: <2216145.ytyAqhlZeR@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Monday, February 02