Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-23 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 23/07/2015 22:41, Peter Maloney wrote: What's wrong with these, which Thunderbird handles just fine? Ah, indeed it does, when the list address is in the To: It does not when the list address is in the Cc: So the solution is to make sure to always send To: the list. :) Thanks for the noti

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-23 Thread Peter Maloney
On 07/22/2015 10:41 PM, Laurent Bercot wrote: > OT: I would like it if the list host could set the "Mailing-List:" > header on list messages. Most MUAs understand it and implement a > "reply to list" feature; without it, we're stuck with manual > configuration > or hitting "reply to all", which ca

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-23 Thread pp
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:00:48 +0200, Oz Tiram wrote: Please explain it to me with out flames. [1]: http://sysadmin.tme520.net/systemd-our-songs-of-innocence/ Cannot explain but I like this article very much. Especially this : "Now, for at least a couple of years, two versions of Linux wi

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 22/07/2015 22:20, T.J. Duchene wrote: That said, the reality of the situation is quite different than it is in theory. As the old saying goes in the American Midwest: "The proof is in the pudding." Until someone provides a systemd alternative that works better than systemd, yet provides conv

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
> In general, I'd agree with you, but there are some situations where it's > possible to argue for hotplugger/service manager integration: > if you hotplug a scanner or printer, there's reason to think that the > corresponding daemon (sane/cups/lprng/lpr) should start. > Note that I did not say th

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2015 schrieb Steve Litt: > Pre-cisely! I don't have Lennart Poettering's coding skills or system > wisdom, nor do I have the budget by which his team operates, but even I > was able to put together the most challenging part of hotplugging, > using inotifywait: > > http://www

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:57:55 +0200 Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 22/07/2015 16:24, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > In general, I'd agree with you, but there are some situations where > > it's possible to argue for hotplugger/service manager integration: > > if you hotplug a scanner or printer, there's rea

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread tilt!
Hi, Oz Tiram wrote on 22/07/2015 at 10:00 CEST: One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look >> like computers. And their operating systems are very busy : >> GPS, wireless

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 22/07/2015 16:24, Isaac Dunham wrote: In general, I'd agree with you, but there are some situations where it's possible to argue for hotplugger/service manager integration: if you hotplug a scanner or printer, there's reason to think that the corresponding daemon (sane/cups/lprng/lpr) shou

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:59:56PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 22/07/2015 10:00, Oz Tiram wrote: > >One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current > >hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > > > > > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > > > c

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 22/07/2015 10:00, Oz Tiram wrote: One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > computers. And their operating systems are very busy : GPS, wireless > networks

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Teodoro Santoni
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:00:48AM +0200, Oz Tiram wrote: > One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current > hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > > > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > > computers. And their operating systems are very busy :