Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-18 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 08/ago/2015 04:12 PM, "Miles Fidelman" ha scritto: > I thought a primary motivation for Devuan was to NOT install systemd by default. It's a work in progress, and testing currently gets less effort than stable, but is actually more friendly to the anti-systemd cause for XFCE users (which is De

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 08:42:49PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > Devuan Alpha worked perfectly well for me, but not for the normal > people that use my iMac. They expect to click shutdown and have the > computer shutdown, no asking for passwords, no rebooting instead of > shutting down. That happens

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Edward Bartolo
What is wrong in using "shutdown -h now"? I use it whenever I boot my Devuan installation 64 bit. Don't tell me opening a terminal, typing 'su' and the root password, is geeky stuff! On 08/08/2015, Dave Turner wrote: > On 08/08/15 13:58, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Dave Turner writes: >> >> [many

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Dave Turner
On 08/08/15 13:58, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Dave Turner writes: [many words] This seems to boil down to: In its present state, I consider Devuan unusable. Was that what you actually meant to say? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailingl

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Miles Fidelman
Nextime wrote: On August 8, 2015 4:12:23 PM CEST, Miles Fidelman wrote: Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner wrote: various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't! XFCE doesn'

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Nextime
On August 8, 2015 2:39:15 PM CEST, Dave Turner wrote: >If the developers of devuan are paying a lot of attention to the >various >discussions on here about init systems, audio, getting rid of >pulseaudio >and other 'pet-hates' then it slows down the implementation of >Plan A:- >get rid of syste

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Nextime
On August 8, 2015 4:12:23 PM CEST, Miles Fidelman wrote: >Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner >> wrote: >>> various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian >jessie install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't! >>> XFCE doesn't work

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Dave Turner
Miles, Remember that devuan is still at Aplha2. Perhaps Beta 1 will be free of systemd, but until then, aptitude is your friend! DaveT On 08/08/15 15:12, Miles Fidelman wrote: Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner wrote: various XFCE irritations for normal

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Miles Fidelman
Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner wrote: various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't! XFCE doesn't work at all. Devuan Testing installs systemd by default, but it's easy to

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Dave Turner
On 08/08/15 13:46, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner wrote: various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't! XFCE doesn't work at all. Devuan Testing installs systemd by default

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Dave Turner writes: [many words] This seems to boil down to: In its present state, I consider Devuan unusable. Was that what you actually meant to say? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

2015-08-08 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner wrote: > various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie > install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't! > XFCE doesn't work at all. Devuan Testing installs systemd by default, but it's easy to remove without breaking