Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-11 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > And about the recompiling the kernel on each update if you want no > initramfs: I wonder how intentional that extreme inconvenience is. It's not _that_ inconvenient. Once you craft a suitable .config for your use-case, it's just a small wait to

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 09:01:14PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-07-07 12:20, Steve Litt wrote: > > > You need certain executables, pre-mount, before a separate /usr can be > > mounted. These went in /sbin, which is on the root and always > > available. If you could mount the root partitio

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:01:14 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > So maybe the real question is, in the merged world, do you have a > reason to insist on /usr being a mount point, other than tradition? Me personally? No. But there are a million different users and admins with a million different priori

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 11:49:40 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: >     The main reason for initramfs is, IMHO, for distros to provide > disk drivers and filesystems in the form of modules present in the > initramfs. They disapear after pivot-root so that only the necessary > ones remain in memory. > >    

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-08 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-07-07 12:20, Steve Litt wrote: > You need certain executables, pre-mount, before a separate /usr can be > mounted. These went in /sbin, which is on the root and always > available. If you could mount the root partition, you could proceed. > > But now, if you mount /usr somewhere off the r

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-08 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 07/07/2020 à 18:20, Steve Litt a écrit : > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:41:31 -0700 > Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >> On 2020-07-07 11:26, Steve Litt wrote: >> >>> Void Linux also symlinks all the various *bin directories together, >>> even though it's a runit distro. My objection is this merge forces >>> y

Re: [DNG] Merged usr consequences [Was: Upgrade problem]

2020-07-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:41:31 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-07-07 11:26, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Void Linux also symlinks all the various *bin directories together, > > even though it's a runit distro. My objection is this merge forces > > you to have an initramfs. > > This doesn't sound