Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-13 Thread T.J. Duchene
>This is the exact situation in which I'm glad for containers and VMs. >Use all the systemd you want, but keep it in a Biosafety level 4 >containment facility. I'd use a VM. I suspect a container or chroot would not be sufficient. =) All jokes aside, this would be why I am watching the systembs

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 09:17:28PM +0100, David Harrison wrote: > On 05/05/2015 20:43, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > >Well, the problem here is that systemd is*not* hot-pluggable, at all, > >as we have recently learned the hard way. > > Here's a thought. Thrown to the list with no requisite

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
David Harrison wrote: On 05/05/2015 20:43, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Well, the problem here is that systemd is*not* hot-pluggable, at all, as we have recently learned the hard way. Here's a thought. Thrown to the list with no requisite knowledge to back it up, so please don't bite!

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread David Harrison
On 05/05/2015 20:43, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Well, the problem here is that systemd is*not* hot-pluggable, at all, as we have recently learned the hard way. Here's a thought. Thrown to the list with no requisite knowledge to back it up, so please don't bite! Is there any way of bu

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread James Powell
rtolo<mailto:edb...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎5/‎5/‎2015 12:52 PM To: Hendrik Boom<mailto:hend...@topoi.pooq.com> Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan I will only say a few words. The purpose of Devuan was to promote so

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Edward Bartolo
I will only say a few words. The purpose of Devuan was to promote software freedom and more specifically software choice. If systemd & Co. change drastically, which is clearly very unlikely to happen, it will be a completely another situation, and systemd & Co. may start forming part of a project

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:43:09 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Well, yes. I can imagine a systemd hater who discovers down the road > that he needs a package that's been comtaminated with systemd. Maybe > instead of going whole-hog systemd, which is that the other distros > force him to do, he can

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 02:43:09PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] > > Well, yes. I can imagine a systemd hater who discovers down the road > that he needs a package that's been comtaminated with systemd. Maybe > instead of going whole-hog systemd, which is that the other distros > force h

[Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:53:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:35:57PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 11:49:34AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > Hi Noel, > > > > > > Having any systemd-equipped Devuan packages means that I need to always > > > b