Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-17 Thread karl
Katola2: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:59:55PM +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: > > Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. > > > > Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: > > > Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about > > > Recommends. In most of the cases a package will work

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:29:02PM +0100, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:26 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > To be honest, I think there is no final solution to this issue, unless > > you opt for a completely centralised (and nazist, in a good way) > > package maintenance policy,

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread Tomasz Kundera
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:26 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > To be honest, I think there is no final solution to this issue, unless > you opt for a completely centralised (and nazist, in a good way) > package maintenance policy, which leaves the decision on "Depends", > "Recommends" and "Suggests" in the

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:59:55PM +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: > Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: > > Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about > > Recommends. In most of the cases a package will work fine 99.99% of > >

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-15 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: > Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about > Recommends. In most of the cases a package will work fine 99.99% of > the times even if you don't have the Recommends installed (as in the >

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread hellekin
On 01/14/2015 07:52 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > in some of the cases a Recommend is simply unnecessary (like exim4 > recommended by mutt) > *** This sounds like a misuse. It should be Suggests. I get the logic of "recommending" an SMTP server for a mail client, but there are many different implementa

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:11:24AM +0100, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > * Recommends: "The Recommends field should list packages that would be > > found > > together with this one in all but unusual installations" > > > > The question is what should be the default behaviour. At least in the > minimal

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-14 Thread Tomasz Kundera
> * Recommends: "The Recommends field should list packages that would be > found > together with this one in all but unusual installations" > The question is what should be the default behaviour. At least in the minimal installation the default should be "No", don't install Recommends. It was a de

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread Joel Roth
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:19:24AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > On Tuesday, 13 de January de 2015 20:25:25 hellekin escribió: > > On 01/13/2015 02:23 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Also, I recall that in a default Debian install, recommended > > > packages are pulled in by default. A setting change make

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread Noel Torres
On Tuesday, 13 de January de 2015 20:25:25 hellekin escribió: > On 01/13/2015 02:23 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > Also, I recall that in a default Debian install, recommended > > packages are pulled in by default. A setting change makes it > > possible to only pull in the package dependencies. > > ***

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread hellekin
On 01/13/2015 02:23 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > Also, I recall that in a default Debian install, recommended > packages are pulled in by default. A setting change makes it > possible to only pull in the package dependencies. > *** Are you suggesting that Devuan should use that setting and not pull i

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread Joel Roth
cyteen wrote: > I was wondering about the policy of some packagers to use depends rather > than recommends in a case where an upstream source has added support for, > but not a reliance on, some service. I can understand that a build-dep on > the dev package would be seem desirable but in the case

[Dng] Use/misuse of depends

2015-01-13 Thread cyteen
I was wondering about the policy of some packagers to use depends rather than recommends in a case where an upstream source has added support for, but not a reliance on, some service. I can understand that a build-dep on the dev package would be seem desirable but in the case of pulseaudio and