Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-14 Thread Nate Bargmann
Well said, T.J. I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your missive. I will also add that now a technical disagreement seems to have morphed into somehow opposing the pet cause of various social justice warriors that now seem to be everywhere. One such recent example is from Debian Develop

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-14 Thread T.J. Duchene
You both made good points. I've been around a while, so I'll just speak my mind. If that bothers anyone, please "plug your ears." I've used Unix before Linux existed, and after. I've seen ideas come and go. Systemd is absolutely nothing new, nor is the community reaction to it even surprising.

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-14 Thread miro . rovis
stage #2 people tend to get their software adopted and > stand to gain power, influence, and money from the community. When stage > #3 people object (as you have), the stage #2 people crowd them out as > "haters", "luddites", "elitists", or "trolls", an

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-14 Thread Jude Nelson
as "haters", "luddites", "elitists", or "trolls", and the stage #1 people tend to go along with the stage #2 people since they can't tell stage #2 and stage #3 people apart, and there are more stage #2 people. I see all the noise about systemd

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread James Powell
ve "done" years ago, there might be less a need to "do" now. Sent from my Windows Phone From: T.J. Duchene<mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎5/‎13/‎2015 8:27 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [Dng]

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread T.J. Duchene
I am reposting this with apologies to all concerned. Outlook mangled the message text. The top few paragraphs were not my own. They belong to James P. >Unfortunately this seems to be a growing trend following the Microsoft playbook of acquisition, suppressi

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread T.J. Duchene
Unfortunately this seems to be a growing trend following the Microsoft playbook of acquisition, suppression, and extinction on various Linux communities and mailing lists I've been privy to as of recent. Fewer and fewer distributions have avoided systemd but discussion into alternatives i

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread James Powell
AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions. I've read the mentioned thread, although not completely yet, and I appreciated Jude's and nextime's interventions. Guys, you met TobiSGD, who should be a LQ moderator bu

[Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions

2015-05-13 Thread Matt
---- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:17:08 -0700 >From: James Powell >To: >Subject: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions. >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > >Unfortunately

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread miroslav . rovis1
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 02:17:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > Unfortunately the moderators at LinuxQuestions have closed off discussing the > Devuan stance topic that had been open and participate in over the repeated > squabbling, though honestly, very little was done other than the people who

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread miroslav . rovis1
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 02:17:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > Unfortunately the moderators at LinuxQuestions have closed off discussing the > Devuan stance topic that had been open and participate in over the repeated > squabbling, though honestly, very little was done other than the people who

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread Philip Lacroix
I've read the mentioned thread, although not completely yet, and I appreciated Jude's and nextime's interventions. Guys, you met TobiSGD, who should be a LQ moderator but is also an active systemd advocate, according to what I've seen in the past (and more than ever on that very thread). Unfort

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread miroslav . rovis1
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 02:17:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > Unfortunately the moderators at LinuxQuestions have closed off discussing the > Devuan stance topic that had been open and participate in over the repeated > squabbling, though honestly, very little was done other than the people who

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread miroslav . rovis1
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 02:17:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > Unfortunately the moderators at LinuxQuestions have closed off discussing the > Devuan stance topic that had been open and participate in over the repeated > squabbling, though honestly, very little was done other than the people who

[Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-10 Thread James Powell
Unfortunately the moderators at LinuxQuestions have closed off discussing the Devuan stance topic that had been open and participate in over the repeated squabbling, though honestly, very little was done other than the people who seemed offended by the choice of Devuan's developers lack of choic