> On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:58:19PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
[...]
>> The general idea would be
>>
>> 1) Keep a relatively simple init which kicks off execution of commands in
>>response to 'change the system state' request and nothing else (get
>>rid of as much of /etc/inittab as
Steve Litt:
...
> /etc/inittab is unique to sysvinit and OpenRC (which uses sysvinit as
> PID1). If we're ever forced to move to another (besides systemd) init,
> we won't have /etc/inittab either, but we'll still be able to do
> everything we did with sysvinit, just differently.
...
busybox init
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:06:14 -0700
Gregory Nowak wrote:
> This is something that systemd did, and one of the things about it
> that really ticked me off. Let me provide a couple of examples:
>
> 1. One of the things I did when playing with debian jessie was to
> install a virtual machine which w
On Friday, August 07, 2015 06:13:10 PM Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> I actually don't mind dropping gnome. It does depend on systemd by
> defacto, and is bulky. I did try xfce in a fresh install of debian
> jessie, and found it gave me speech when I rebooted after the
> install.
I'm sorry, I don't k
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:53:37PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> =( Bummer!
>
> There must be a way to get what you want, although I honestly do not know
> enough about systemd to help you out. Like yourself, I am more familiar with
> the System 5 way of doing things.
>
> Wish I could be mor
On Friday, August 07, 2015 05:46:00 PM Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> I also did do an aptitude search sysv when I had debian jessie freshly
> installed, but didn't get a match. If I could have installed sysvinit
> or sysvinit-core in a fresh installed, I might have tried that just to
> see what I got.
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:25:50PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> I am just curious, but did you try installing sysvinit and systemd-shim?
> Theoretically, it should give you System 5 startup and shutdown, while
> keeping
> compatibility with things that depend on systemd, like Gnome.
No. If it
On Friday, August 07, 2015 05:06:14 PM Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 2. I want ctrl+alt+del to do shutdown -h, instead of shutdown -r
> (another real use case on another virtual system). I couldn't figure
> out a way to do this in debian jessie.
>
> Now, what you proposed above from what I understand s
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 01:58:19PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> As someone else pointed out, the control flow code could be abstracted
> away into some kind of 'universal init script' and individual ones would
> just need to define the start and stop commands. And there's nothing
> horrible abou
Good grief . . . this is turning into some sort of battle of the titans . . .
would be nice to take the egos down a notch . . .
On Fri, 8/7/15, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] ideas for system startup
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday
Laurent Bercot writes:
[...]
>> 1) Keep a relatively simple init which kicks off execution of commands in
>> response to 'change the system state' request and nothing else (get
>> rid of as much of /etc/inittab as possible at some point in time)
[...]
> You keep hammering that down a
On 07/08/2015 14:58, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
There's obviously a TOCTOU race here because "A is ready now" doesn't
mean "A is still ready" at any later time.
Of course. That's why you need a supervisor to receive death notifications
and publish them to whomever subscribes.
If there's somethi
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