On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:31:35 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message
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> Hi Hendrik,
>
> On 04/11/2017 12:17 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > What is the status of vdev? Is it packages and inthe repositories
> > yet? Is it too much to hope it;s available in jessie?
> >
> > -- hendrik
>
> As fsmithred sa
Il 13/04/2017 16:55, Rick Moen ha scritto:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> This is what can be logically inferred from what you wrote.
> No.
Yep.
> I'm sorry this conversation was not fruitful, which as mentioned is why I have
> disengaged. Have a great day.
O
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> This is what can be logically inferred from what you wrote.
No.
I'm sorry this conversation was not fruitful, which as mentioned is why I have
disengaged. Have a great day.
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Quoting Alessandro Selli :
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 at 14:18:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his
own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage
model" of s
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 at 14:18:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his
>> own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage
>> model" of sudo constiutes a pro
Hi KatolaZ,
... and sorry for my delay...
On 04/11/2017 02:00 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
Thanks aitor. It would be great to have vdev in ascii, innit?
Yes, it should be added in asci/ceres, not in jessie.
Do you think it might be possible to try building the vdev package through
the Devuan CI syst
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> As sudo can be made to operate either requiring the user to type his
> own password or no password, stating (now) that just "a particular usage
> model" of sudo constiutes a proxy for the superuser's password can only
> refer to the case th
Il 12/04/2017 03:32, Rick Moen ha scritto:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> I argued against the assertion by Rick Moen that sudo constitutes "a
>> proxy for the root password"...
> I did not so state.
>
> I characterised a particular usage model of sudo as such.
As s
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> I argued against the assertion by Rick Moen that sudo constitutes "a
> proxy for the root password"...
I did not so state.
I characterised a particular usage model of sudo as such.
As for the rest, if it's not apparent to you that letting
On 04/11/2017 01:27 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
As i can see, lines like:
As I can see, your version needs one more patch :)
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/media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Aitor/gvfs-master-64caae2fe2bdd1aeb2d65cdcdb326f170718eb2a/debian/control
+++ /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Adam/gvfs-1.22.2/debian/control
@@ -
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:55:37PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> OK, but you would agree that, if you find yourself in such an
> "unprotected enviroment", there is not much difference between typing
> the root password and typing the password of a user who can become
> root by "sudo su".
This is true
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 at 12:55:37 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 01:34:19PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > One cannot avoid using at least once his own password at the start of
> > the session, so this password cannot be completely secured when operating
> > in a
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 01:34:19PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
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> One cannot avoid using at least once his own password at the start of the
> session, so this password cannot be completely secured when operating in an
> open or unprotected environment. If need arises to perform, in tha
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 at 07:13:36 +0100
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> Am Mo den 10. Apr 2017 um 22:09 schrieb Alessandro Selli:
> > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> > Using root password many times, every day,
Il giorno Tue, 11 Apr 2017 05:28:29 +0200
marc ha scritto:
> > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it
> > ins
Il giorno Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:17:46 -0700
Rick Moen ha scritto:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
> > IMO, using root's password in those same cases is the worst possible
> > password use case. One thing is your non-privileged user's password
> > being captured when yo
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:31:35AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
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>
> Now, the priority are the manpages. You can read more here:
>
> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=43
>
> Recently i tried to run a devuan vanilla with vdev and a 4.x kernel, and it
> didn't work (in live mode) because t
Hi Hendrik,
On 04/11/2017 12:17 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
What is the status of vdev? Is it packages and inthe repositories yet?
Is it too much to hope it;s available in jessie?
-- hendrik
As fsmithred said in the irc, there are two sets of packages working for
now:
https://git.devuan.org/
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Am Mo den 10. Apr 2017 um 22:09 schrieb Alessandro Selli:
> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> times you type it the higher the chances
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:28 PM, marc wrote:
> > You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> > Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> > times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it
> > instills the desi
> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it
> instills the desire of an easy to remember and fast to type password.
Hi Dragan,
On 04/11/2017 12:17 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote:
On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*:
gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium
* Non-maintainer upload.
* Cure systemd infestation.
-- Adam Borowski Mon, 01
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> IMO, using root's password in those same cases is the worst possible
> password use case. One thing is your non-privileged user's password
> being captured when you mount an external drive, a different thing is
> giving away root's passwor
On 10/04/2017 at 23:43, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
>> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
>> times you type it the higher the chances are
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and it
> instills the desi
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:09:44PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
[cut]
>
> You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password.
> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured) and
Il 10/04/2017 02:25, Rick Moen ha scritto:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
>> I think I know why, but I'll ask you anyway. Why don't you just put
>> mount in /etc/sudoers and make it not require a password?
> IMO, mounting / umounting is a sensitive operation (which is why Unix
On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*:
gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium
* Non-maintainer upload.
* Cure systemd infestation.
-- Adam Borowski Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:28:04 +0100
http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 03:27:22PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
>
> and udisks works without udev and libsystemd0... thanks to vdev :)
What is the status of vdev? Is it packages and inthe repositories yet?
Is it too much to hope it;s available in jessie?
-- hendrik
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Hi KatolaZ,
On 04/10/2017 01:37 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 01:19:00PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
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I still don't know the reason for using the 1.26.2 upstream version of gvfs
in devuan. The version in debian jessie is 1.22.2, and we*should* mantain
the same one in devuan, w
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 01:19:00PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
[cut]
>
> I still don't know the reason for using the 1.26.2 upstream version of gvfs
> in devuan. The version in debian jessie is 1.22.2, and we *should* mantain
> the same one in devuan, which is that i used. I talked about this months
Hi Joachim,
On 04/10/2017 01:04 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
Hi,
how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without
gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to
user mount external drives without gvfs?
Jochen
I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*:
https
Am 2017-04-10 00:39, schrieb Daniel Abrecht:
I think automatically mounting thumb drives is very different from
mounting them when I klick on them in my file manager. Things like
automatically mounting removable medias or even auto starting
applications, I don't want that.
I also don't like aut
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> I think I know why, but I'll ask you anyway. Why don't you just put
> mount in /etc/sudoers and make it not require a password?
IMO, mounting / umounting is a sensitive operation (which is why Unix
makes it be that way, unless you screw with it) a
On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 10:39:28PM +, Daniel Abrecht wrote:
> On 04/09/2017 08:01 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200
> > Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> >> without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives
> >
> > Somewhere back in the archives I submitted a shellscrip
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 17:01:21 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Joachim Fahrner (j...@fahrner.name):
>
> > Hi,
> > how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without
> > gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives.
>
> > Is there a way to user mount external drives without gv
Quoting Joachim Fahrner (j...@fahrner.name):
> Hi,
> how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without
> gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives.
> Is there a way to user mount external drives without gvfs?
My way of mounting external drives:
$ tail /var/log/dmesg # N
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 22:39:28 +
Daniel Abrecht wrote:
> On 04/09/2017 08:01 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200
> > Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> >> without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives
> >
> > Somewhere back in the archives I submitted a shellscript
On 04/09/2017 02:24 AM, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Hi,
> how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs
> PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount
> external drives without gvfs?
>
> Jochen
>
>
PCmanFM mounts external usb drives for me witho
On 04/09/2017 08:01 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200
> Joachim Fahrner wrote:
>> without gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives
>
> Somewhere back in the archives I submitted a shellscript to
> automatically mount thumb drives without a file manager.
I think aut
On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200
Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Hi,
> how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without
> gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to
> user mount external drives without gvfs?
>
> Jochen
Somewhere back in the archives I submitt
Am 2017-04-09 15:10, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
I don't know how gvfs does it, but it can be done with a user file
system.
It happens all the time when I use sshfs. An ssh file system allows
only the user
who mounted it to access it. Since sshfs, once it gains control, can
do as it
pleases, if ca
On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 12:58:27PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
>
> Thanks for that hint. SpaceFM in conjunction with udevil is great. So I can
> get rid of this ugly gvfs. gfvs is broken by design, because it creates a
> ~/.gvfs directory which is not accessible by root. So every backup tool
> f
Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> ... it creates a ~/.gvfs directory which is not accessible by root.
...
> I'm wondering how they achieve that, it should not be possible at all.
Extended attributes ?
I know that with MacOS there some system files that root can't fiddle with,
there's extended attributes
Am 2017-04-09 10:43, schrieb Florian Zieboll:
I use spacefm. With some config-tweaking it is a perfect (and much more
flexible) replacement for pcmanfm and alike:
Thanks for that hint. SpaceFM in conjunction with udevil is great. So I
can get rid of this ugly gvfs. gfvs is broken by design, b
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:24:15 +0200
Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Hi,
> how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without
> gvfs PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to
> user mount external drives without gvfs?
>
>
Hi,
how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs
PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount
external drives without gvfs?
Jochen
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