Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-16 Thread Rick Moen
I'm sorry, it's the middle of the night here, and I shouldn't be responding to mail. I didn't notice that the private copy was a _Cc_, and otherwise would not have spoken in that tone. As is the way of such things, I realised my error a split-second after the Send command. __

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-16 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com): > Sure, why not? 1. I notice you curiously dropped off the mailing list into private mail. Sorry, I wasn't really interested in a private discussion. 2. I notice you weren't interested in that wager. So, just rhetorical overload, as expected. > Glibc is ju

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-15 Thread dev
On 07/13/2016 01:14 PM, Rick Moen wrote: 'dev' wrote: > You can pin all you want, and force-remove all you want, but > one day there will be a package you need (let's pretend it's > linux-libc-dev-xxx.x.x) which will have the hinge-pin baked-in. You > can no longer update libc. Really? Th

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-13 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Simon Hobson wrote: > That brings me to something I've been meaning to ask for a while. Is > there anything practical I can do to help ? well, besites being one of many nice people that are part of this community :^) what comes to me in mind is the Distrowatch rating for Devu

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-13 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, If my memory serves me right, Debian have removed apt pinning and they see nothing wrong in making more packages depend on systemd. That is enough of an indicator to decide in favour of more choice. Long Life Choice. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-13 Thread Simon Hobson
dev wrote: > I mention all this becuase I took the "deb 8" pinning challenge today > and it failed miserably. I tried something similar not long ago. It "almost" worked except that one component of Clamav that the server in question needs has a dependency on libsystemd0. The response from the

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-13 Thread Jaromil
hi there, thanks for the post. Also many others here and among VUAs have tried the pinning before proceeding with the debianfork plan and spotted many limitations. Pinning cannot work for serious production and long-term use, this was our conclusion. In my eyes anyone saying that Devuan can be su

[DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-13 Thread dev
*sigh* apologies for the length. It was not what I intended.. tldr: "Go devuan! Debian 8 pinning does not work for me" I don't have the thread anymore, but there was something posted within the past couple days which led me to this link -- I think it was something Steve posted; something about a