On Monday 17 December 2018 09:48:10 pm Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:10:20 +0100
>
> KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > >
> > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > >
[let's see if I can send to the list instead of replying to an individual this
time...]
On Tuesday 18 December 2018 11:30:47 am g4sra via Dng wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > You are confusing a simple config file that is read once and for all
> > during boot time (the config file on raspberry pis) with
On Tuesday 18 December 2018 07:19:05 am Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
> > finds information, it should be saved for the secondary
On 12/21/18, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> Thanks for the video, it took me more than three attempts :P.
> I had existing partitions on the drive that I needed to keep so did not
> go near the 'use entire disk' option. The partitioning in the video does
> not encrypt the entire disk, it leaves /boot out
On 12/21/18 7:41 AM, g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
>> Here's a video showing how to create an encrypted partition using the
>> manual partitioning step in the installer. You probably did it wrong.
>> Don't feel bad - I did it wrong three times before I got it right for
>> the video, and I've done this
> Here's a video showing how to create an encrypted partition using the
> manual partitioning step in the installer. You probably did it wrong.
> Don't feel bad - I did it wrong three times before I got it right for
> the video, and I've done this before.
> http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/
On 12/17/18, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> On 17/12/2018 00:41, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On 16/12/18 at 13:28, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> automagic disk encryption,
>> The present impossibility of installing ASCII on an encrypted root is
>> a show-stopper to my laptop installs
> The most taxing step in my c
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:28:06PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > I still fail understanding what you mean by "Program 2". It's called,
> > maybe, just "apt-get" or "synaptic".
> >
>
> OK, um..
> take tasksel, clone it into two.
>
> In tasksel one [1], keep everything that is NOT optional
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:36:30PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> Yeah but all the partitioner questions can be asked before the action is
> committed. Not that mkfs takes a noticeable amount of time anyway...
Can be ... at present I don't think you can start defining partitions
in a RAID or
>
> I still fail understanding what you mean by "Program 2". It's called,
> maybe, just "apt-get" or "synaptic".
>
OK, um..
take tasksel, clone it into two.
In tasksel one [1], keep everything that is NOT optional (and is stateful).
Partitioning, formatting, kernel, bootloader, package manager
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 05:30:47PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > You are confusing a simple config file that is read once and for all
> > during boot time (the config file on raspberry pis) with the complete
> > installation of a new system. They are not even comparable. There is
>
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 05:24:10PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> I often have difficulty with correct terminology despite having a very
> definite
> idea.
>
> The term 'Installer' applies to the first stage actions taken outside of the
> package manager such as partitioning, formatting, bootloade
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:19:39PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> > It is my view that the configuration program should be capable of being
> > run at any time after installation, even multiple times on separate
> > occasions as required.
>
> I am not sure what you exactly mean here. The installer cannot
[snip]
>
> You are confusing a simple config file that is read once and for all
> during boot time (the config file on raspberry pis) with the complete
> installation of a new system. They are not even comparable. There is
> no thing like "oh I re-run the installer configuration to change the
> la
I often have difficulty with correct terminology despite having a very definite
idea.
The term 'Installer' applies to the first stage actions taken outside of the
package manager such as partitioning, formatting, bootloader and kernel...
which actually make the build host bootable. There 'may' be
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 04:58:00PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> On 18/12/2018 03:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Perhaps reframing it would make a difference. Perhaps renaming the
> > second program "Install Software" (install_software), and having it
> > boot into install_software, would sat
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 04:58:00PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
[cut]
>
> To clarify further...
> It is my view that the configuration program should be capable of being
> run at any time after installation, even multiple times on separate
> occasions as required.
>
I am not sure what you exactl
On 18/12/2018 03:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> [snip]
> Perhaps reframing it would make a difference. Perhaps renaming the
> second program "Install Software" (install_software), and having it
> boot into install_software, would satisfy all but the most
> windows-phobic that the sum of the two programs a
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 04:29:25PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> On 18/12/2018 13:19, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
> >> KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> >> Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
> >> fin
On 18/12/2018 13:19, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>
>> Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
>> finds information, it should be saved for the secondary installer to
>> use.
>
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:51:53PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
> Also, Hendrik is right: If the bootable installer
> finds information, it should be saved for the secondary installer to
> use.
It would be enough if the software the bootable inst
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> ...and we end up with something of the same complexity of the current
> debian-installer.
Of course you do. The same questions must be answered either way. The
distinction is that one way you're guaranteed a working kernel and
bootable OS with
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:10:20 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > Configure mountpoints
> > > Install Bootloader
> > > Install Kernel, M
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:43 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20181216122843.2lg34abliiena...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > > Configure
On 17/12/2018 00:41, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 16/12/18 at 13:28, KatolaZ wrote:
>> automagic disk encryption,
>
>
> Well, if you cannot install on an encrypted root, encrypting it later
> is a real PITA.
>
> The present impossibility of installing ASCII on an encrypted root is
> a show-s
On 16/12/18 at 13:28, KatolaZ wrote:
> automagic disk encryption,
Well, if you cannot install on an encrypted root, encrypting it later
is a real PITA.
The present impossibility of installing ASCII on an encrypted root is
a show-stopper to my laptop installs (I install Debian, then, sometim
On 16/12/18 at 11:10, KatolaZ wrote:
> However, I am pretty sure that 99.9% of the Devuaners would probably
> find the result quite uncomfortable, inconvenient, skinny, and overly
> archaic.
Not I.
What VUA would?
--
Alessandro Selli
VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net
Chiave firma e cifratu
On 16/12/2018 20:06, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:11:25PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>
>> That is my issue, focus has been lost on what an 'Installer' should do.
>> A great deal is performed at install time that falls into the domain of
>> package manager'. Standard t
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:11:25PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote:
[cut]
>
> That is my issue, focus has been lost on what an 'Installer' should do.
> A great deal is performed at install time that falls into the domain of
> package manager'. Standard tools such as dpkg, apt-get, synaptec,
> dpkg-re
On 16/12/2018 12:28, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>
> You see: in just two emails we have come from a *minimal* base
> installation (a shell with a kernel, a bootloader, and a working
> dpkg/apt) to a fully-functioning network server
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 01:28:43PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > > Configure mountpoints
> > > > > Install Bootloader
> > > > > Install Kerne
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
[cut]
> > > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> > >
> > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > Configure mountpoints
> > > > Install Bootloader
> > > > Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> > > > Install Shell & package management software
> >
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 11:10:20AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > Configure mountpoints
> > > Install Bootloader
> > > Install Kernel
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 11:10:20 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20181216101020.h6zmiomznqqpm...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> > g4sra via Dng wrote:
> >
> > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > Con
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:19:31PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
> g4sra via Dng wrote:
>
> > Media partitioning, formatting
> > Configure mountpoints
> > Install Bootloader
> > Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> > Install Shell & package management software
> >
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:29:21 -0800, Rick wrote in message
<20181216012921.ga24...@linuxmafia.com>:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > You know what would really be fun? An installer that asks *all* of
> > the necessary questions right at the front, so you can walk away
> >
On 2018-12-15 19:19, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
g4sra via Dng wrote:
Media partitioning, formatting
Configure mountpoints
Install Bootloader
Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
Install Shell & package management software
Configure console
Configure network
Boot
Discus
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> You know what would really be fun? An installer that asks *all* of the
> necessary questions right at the front, so you can walk away and do
> something else while it installs itself.
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
As the page
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:36:45 +
g4sra via Dng wrote:
> Media partitioning, formatting
> Configure mountpoints
> Install Bootloader
> Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> Install Shell & package management software
> Configure console
> Configure network
> Boot
>
> Discuss...
Above all else,
Media partitioning, formatting
Configure mountpoints
Install Bootloader
Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
Install Shell & package management software
Configure console
Configure network
Boot
Discuss...
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