On 24/06/15 21:33, KatolaZ wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 09:20:37PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
interesting.
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html
Yes, it is definitely interesting. The most scary thing
On 2015-06-23 22:20, Jude Nelson wrote:
Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
interesting.
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html [3]
-Jude
"We don't merge kernel code just because user space was written by a
retarded monkey on crack."
"Ker
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 09:20:37PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
> interesting.
>
> http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html
>
Yes, it is definitely interesting. The most scary thing is the
emergence in that thr
Le 24/06/2015 03:20, Jude Nelson a écrit :
Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
interesting.
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html
-Jude
Thanks for this enjoyable link, Jude!
Looks like the destination of the message is GKH : "I t
Linus isn't stupid.
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From: Jude Nelson<mailto:jud...@gmail.com>
Sent: 6/23/2015 6:20 PM
To: KatolaZ<mailto:kato...@freaknet.org>
Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: Re: [DNG] We Must be Pr
Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
interesting.
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html
-Jude
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:28 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 08:15:01PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > I think a ne
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 08:15:01PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
[cut]
>
> I think a new generation of programmers has been comitted to
> maintain and evolve
> Linux. They have strong technical skills but haven't been taught
> well enough - or not at
> all - the philosohy of UNIX. They have fun
Le 20/06/2015 18:28, KatolaZ a écrit :
I still have problems understanding why this is happening, and maybe a
caveman like me will never get through it, but this is how things work
in this community nowadays. And that's exactly why I have now also
problems recognising this as*my* community
* On 2015 20 Jun 11:28 -0500, KatolaZ wrote:
> I still have problems understanding why this is happening, and maybe a
> caveman like me will never get through it, but this is how things work
> in this community nowadays. And that's exactly why I have now also
> problems recognising this as *my* co
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:11:12PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2015, 11:16:12 schrieb Jude Nelson:
> > Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair,
> > its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus
> > isn't present in
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:07:59PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015, 12:29:57 schrieb Marlon Nunes:
> > "The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't so much about
> > "technical know-how" these days, he said. Running the core of arguably
> > the world's most im
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:07:59PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015, 12:29:57 schrieb Marlon Nunes:
> > "The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't so much about
> > "technical know-how" these days, he said. Running the core of arguably
> > the world's most im
Le 20/06/2015 12:11, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2015, 11:16:12 schrieb Jude Nelson:
Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair,
its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus
isn't present in the kernel).
Announcement:
Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2015, 11:16:12 schrieb Jude Nelson:
> Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair,
> its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus
> isn't present in the kernel).
>
> Announcement:
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/sys
Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015, 12:29:57 schrieb Marlon Nunes:
> "The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't so much about
> "technical know-how" these days, he said. Running the core of arguably
> the world's most important operating system is now about "being trusted
> and being available.
r Kryn<mailto:k...@in2p3.fr>
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Subject: Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared
Le 20/06/2015 11:06, James Powell a écrit :
> Then this without a doubt is clear evidence that kdbus is in fact a
> systemd proprie
Le 20/06/2015 11:06, James Powell a écrit :
Then this without a doubt is clear evidence that kdbus is in fact a
systemd proprietary IPC. Has anyone heard of any software otherwise
that will use kdbus at all, even in the least?
Lennart is desperate to get kdbus in, but is making a critical erro
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 02:06:26AM -0700, James Powell wrote:
> Then this without a doubt is clear evidence that kdbus is in fact a systemd
> proprietary IPC. Has anyone heard of any software otherwise that will use
> kdbus at all, even in the least?
>
> Lennart is desperate to get kdbus in, but
ke
Sideroad<mailto:clarke.sider...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared
It does not make the kernel systems, but its presence might make some
poorly written program think systems is present. But poor code assumes
things all the time, so really it will not make a
It does not make the kernel systems, but its presence might make some
poorly written program think systems is present. But poor code assumes
things all the time, so really it will not make a difference.
Arnt
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On 06/19/2015 11:16 AM, Jude Nelson wrote:
Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be
fair, its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if
kdbus isn't present in the kernel).
Announcement:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/
Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair,
its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus isn't
present in the kernel).
Announcement:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/033170.html
-Jude
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:0
On 06/19/2015 02:59 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Clarke Sideroad writes:
I hoping the Kernel Developers as a combined whole would see the
bigger Linux picture well beyond the desktop.
I can't see the Kernel being made to swallow something that would
poison the whole multifaceted structure in the
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
>The reason they're working on kdbus at all is because they have
>discovered that it's costly to pipe a lot of data between dbus
>endpoints
reminds me of the time we had some momentum to have vloopback into
Linux. or even before that, the times
Clarke Sideroad writes:
I hoping the Kernel Developers as a combined whole would see
the bigger Linux picture well beyond the desktop.
I can't see the Kernel being made to swallow something that
would poison the whole multifaceted structure in the way that
the various distros swallowed the, "ju
e Sideroad<mailto:clarke.sider...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared
I hoping the Kernel Developers as a combined whole would see the bigger
Linux picture well beyond the desktop.
I can't s
I hoping the Kernel Developers as a combined whole would see the bigger
Linux picture well beyond the desktop.
I can't see the Kernel being made to swallow something that would poison
the whole multifaceted structure in the way that the various distros
swallowed the, "just another init, what's a
y sievers babysitter ...
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From: Jude Nelson
Sent: 6/18/2015 9:20 AM
To: Richard
Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared
I'm not worried. Linus won't accept kdbus until he thinks it's in a
position where it will be stable and easily s
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Subject: Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared
I'm not worried. Linus won't accept kdbus until he thinks it's in a
position
I'm not worried. Linus won't accept kdbus until he thinks it's in a
position where it will be stable and easily supported for the foreseeable
future. Watching kdbus get refactored a few times over this past year, I'd
wager a guess that they're going to end up keeping as much of dbus in
userspace
Richard writes:
Will a kernel fork be required to not use systemd?
Perhaps if Linus dies any time soon. But I think not even in that case —
don't forget that android is the biggest linux distribution.
Arnt
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Does seem to be true, that he is a systemd supporter:
http://kroah.com/log/blog/2014/01/15/kdbus-details/
Anybody have a crystal ball?
Will a kernel fork be required to not use systemd?
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Marlon Nunes
wrote:
> "The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't
"The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't so much about
"technical know-how" these days, he said. Running the core of arguably
the world's most important operating system is now about "being trusted
and being available. GREG (AKA GREG KROAH HARTMAN) IS THE OBVIOUS NUMBER
TWO. HE COULD
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