On 11/6/20 11:08 AM, Simon Walter wrote:
> I updated another field/site laptop yesterday and noticed (again) that
> TB was not updated passed 68. My heart was glad.
>
> I want to thank the Devuan maintainers for making these kind of sane
> choices. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Well, it was ac
I updated another field/site laptop yesterday and noticed (again) that
TB was not updated passed 68. My heart was glad.
I want to thank the Devuan maintainers for making these kind of sane
choices. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 15:47:29 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting John Crisp via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
> [snip much-appreciated picture of behind-the-scenes management
> folderol at Thunderbird Project:]
>
Thanks ;-) I have an alter ego that is on some lists as this ego (!)
got banned some y
Adam Borowski wrote:
> -- and it's exclusively the former group that uses GPG. Thus, crap support
> in Thunderbird is not a problem for me -- I have yet to see a GPG-signed
> piece of mail.
>
not really...
15-20 years ago while working for a bank edp/it dpt, PGP was required
almost for half the
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:46:37PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 2020-10-28 07:47, Rick Moen wrote:
> > I continue to like projects that are limited in feature scope enough to
> > not live or die by corporate underwriting. E.g., mutt continues to be
> > maintainable by a small group of motivated
On 2020-10-28 08:20, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Dimitris T. via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
>> still recommending TB to clients/people though...
>
> In case it's useful, I keep a list of all known MUAs for Linux, here:
> http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/muas.html
> Necessary disclaimer: As anyone
On 2020-10-28 07:47, Rick Moen wrote:
...
> I continue to like projects that are limited in feature scope enough to
> not live or die by corporate underwriting. E.g., mutt continues to be
> maintainable by a small group of motivated developers. When I want it
> to be graphical, I run it in an xte
On 27/10/2020 22:47, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting John Crisp via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
> [snip much-appreciated picture of behind-the-scenes management
> folderol at Thunderbird Project:]
>
>> The problem is decent alternatives are not great [...]
> Just in case people have lost track of this,
Well said to all of that.
On 26/10/2020 17:10, John Crisp via Dng wrote:
>
> (why DID they need to make it TB
> corporation and for not a NFP?).
As far as I am aware, this question has not been answered in public
(although it could simply be that it was the least-friction way forward).
The corpo
It seems we're drifting away from the main subject.
Count me in!
Of course, my own way of eliminating GMail problems is: Don't use
GMail, and you thereby magically avoid GMail problems. ;->
It's 2020. Snowden leaks started in 2013.
.
(Also, it seems to be stylized as Gmail, not GMail)
It's
Hello
> I believe you mean (specifically) cut off from access to GMail
> send/receive access by GMail users, as an alternative to using GMail's
> proprietary WebUI. Yes, that's very strongly my understanding, too.
>
> Of course, my own way of eliminating GMail problems is: Don't use
> GMail, an
Quoting Lars Nood??n via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
> Google appears to be doing what it can to cut off not only MUAs like
^^
> Thunderbird but also competing mail providers.
^^^
I believe you mean (specifically) cut o
On 10/28/20 12:47 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting John Crisp via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
>
> [snip much-appreciated picture of behind-the-scenes management
> folderol at Thunderbird Project:]
>
>> The problem is decent alternatives are not great [...]
>
> Just in case people have lost track of
Quoting Dimitris T. via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
> still recommending TB to clients/people though...
In case it's useful, I keep a list of all known MUAs for Linux, here:
http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/muas.html
Necessary disclaimer: As anyone who's ever kept alive over decades a
complex Web p
Quoting John Crisp via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org):
[snip much-appreciated picture of behind-the-scenes management
folderol at Thunderbird Project:]
> The problem is decent alternatives are not great [...]
Just in case people have lost track of this, the long-term nub of the
problem is: revenue mo
On 10/26/20 5:07 AM, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
forgot to mention seamonkey (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/).
--
also these days, webmail/nextcloud can be used as groupware too, with
calendars/contacts included.. webmail gpg support is very rare (for a
pretty good reason imo), but mailpile ca
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 01:15:47 +
Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 25/10/2020 18:20, Ludovic Bellière wrote:
> > Hello Mark, it seems that you are highly concerned with the path
> > Thunderbird is taking for the future. Might I suggest to you, and
> > everyone following this exchange for that matter, to
Keep in mind that there are other interests at play, the "leadership"
has to content with your requests and other's.
The one thing that annoys me is the handling of OpenPGP and keys. I
cannot update my keys nor sync them with the ones present on my system.
Which is highly annoying since I sign my
On 25/10/2020 18:20, Ludovic Bellière wrote:
> Hello Mark, it seems that you are highly concerned with the path
> Thunderbird is taking for the future. Might I suggest to you, and
> everyone following this exchange for that matter, to head over the [tb-
> planning][1] mailing list. It's purpose is
On 10/25/20 10:07 PM, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
but mailpile can be used instead
correction: mailvelope (https://www.mailvelope.com/en)
OpenPGP_signature
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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forgot to mention seamonkey (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/).
--
also these days, webmail/nextcloud can be used as groupware too, with
calendars/contacts included.. webmail gpg support is very rare (for a
pretty good reason imo), but mailpile can be used instead...
d
On 10/25/20 9:56 AM
Hello Mark, it seems that you are highly concerned with the path
Thunderbird is taking for the future. Might I suggest to you, and
everyone following this exchange for that matter, to head over the [tb-
planning][1] mailing list. It's purpose is to, quote:
1. *Offer an easy, transparent venue for
On 25/10/2020 06:33, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 10/25/20 7:20 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>
>> The reason for this change is that Thunderbird is deprecating all its
>> old addons (the entire ecosystem) and Enigmail won't work on the new
>> Thunderbird. It's less than satisfactory.
>
> Yes, I understand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
Hey,
On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 15:25 +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
>
> I am particularly interested in a "groupware" type of solution. I am
>
> currently using SOGo. I am not stuck on that though. Things like
> CalDAV,
>
> CardDAV, etc., are useful fo
On 10/25/20 7:20 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 23/10/2020 08:04, Simon Walter wrote:
Has any of you TB users (assuming there are any here} done this
migration? How is the new shiny? Is it fine? Shall I forget about TB?
Any suggestions of what could replace it?
I'm not in a hurry to do it. I want
On 10/24/20 7:03 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
..heh, I've used Claws for over 18 years now, ever since it was known
as Sylpheed version 0.7.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu), never
really looked back, it's email the way email was meant to be. :o)
Oh it's Sylpheed. I used that at one time when I ha
On 10/23/20 7:27 PM, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
On 10/23/20 10:04 AM, Simon Walter wrote:
Has any of you TB users (assuming there are any here} done this
migration? How is the new shiny? Is it fine? Shall I forget about TB?
Any suggestions of what could replace it?
yes it works, but not witho
On 23/10/2020 15:44, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
>
>> Has any of you TB users (assuming there are any here} done this migration?
>> How is the new shiny? Is it fine? Shall I forget about TB? Any suggestions
>> of what could replace it?
> Nope. This is the first I've heard of it.
One really needs to k
On 23/10/2020 08:04, Simon Walter wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Yes, I use TB. Please excuse me for living.
>
> I am wondering how other TB and GPG users are dealing with:
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP:Migration-From-Enigmail
>
> From what I understand, I now have to maintain two copies of
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:44:37 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message
<91d8f15b-eec8-9a76-0aaa-b987fec03...@gmail.com>:
> On 10/23/20 3:04 AM, Simon Walter wrote:
>
> > From what I understand, I now have to maintain two copies of my key
> > rings: the regular one and the one *inside* TB.
> >
>
> Hm
On 10/23/20 3:04 AM, Simon Walter wrote:
> From what I understand, I now have to maintain two copies of my key rings:
> the regular one and the one *inside* TB.
>
Hm.. I was already a little nervous about keeping one copy of the keyring
on the hard drive.
>
> Has any of you TB users (assuming
On 10/23/20 10:04 AM, Simon Walter wrote:
Has any of you TB users (assuming there are any here} done this
migration? How is the new shiny? Is it fine? Shall I forget about TB?
Any suggestions of what could replace it?
yes it works, but not without issues.. you need to install latest
enigm
Hi all,
Yes, I use TB. Please excuse me for living.
I am wondering how other TB and GPG users are dealing with:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP:Migration-From-Enigmail
From what I understand, I now have to maintain two copies of my key
rings: the regular one and the one *inside* T
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