Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting spiralofhope (spiralofh...@spiralofhope.com): > On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:07:20 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that the > > mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up entropy. > > Within 10 seconds boot begins!

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-12 Thread spiralofhope
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:07:20 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that the > mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up entropy. > Within 10 seconds boot begins! I would prefer a steam car-style hand crank. I smell a Kickstart

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 09/07/2019 à 21:34, J. Fahrner via Dng a écrit : Am 2019-07-09 21:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: So why do they need new UUID's at every boot?   Not every boot. Every service start: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 Are they crazy?     The

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:34:12 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2019-07-09 21:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: > >> So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? > > > > Not every boot. Every service start: > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 >

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread J. Fahrner via Dng
Am 2019-07-09 21:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? Not every boot. Every service start: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 Are they crazy? ___ Dng mailing list D

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Tomasz Torcz - 09.07.19, 21:07: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:58:37PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > > > > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? > > > > > > From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:58:37PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > > > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? > > > > From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID generation > > for all units and for some

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 04:31:21PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hendrik Boom - 09.07.19, 14:26: > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread golinux
On 2019-07-09 09:31, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Steve Litt - 09.07.19, 13:07: On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.de

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Steve Litt - 09.07.19, 13:07: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > Boot

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hendrik Boom - 09.07.19, 14:26: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
fsmithred via Dng - 09.07.19, 12:49: > On 7/9/19 5:07 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > >> Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being > >> available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but > >> just booting should not

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debia

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread fsmithred via Dng
On 7/9/19 5:07 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but just booting should not depend on entropy being available. This is enlighte

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 11:07: > Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > Booting system should not

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > in > > a

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available in > a large enough quantity. > > Granted there is a processor

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:35:19 +0200, Martin wrote in message <1898883.rvtoQVDO1o@merkaba>: > Hi! > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available i

[DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

2019-07-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi! Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. unblock: systemd/241-4 https://bugs.debian.org/929215 Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available in a large enough quantity. Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the random number g