Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

g4sra wrote: >> How is the Linux server going to authenticate users, via /etc/passwd or >> other ? >> >> A lot depends on this, also the number of users will have a factor as >> well. > Which network authentication method would you suggest ? I think what Roland was getting at here is the numbe

Re: [DNG] Request for comments - training room

On 12/2/18 5:19 AM, Rowland Penny wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 10:07:23 + Simon Hobson wrote: Snipped excessive quoting. Sorry, I think you missed the point of the scenario I was talking about. This one is where the users don't have their own login - they all use just the same login, so can s

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:42:36 + Rowland Penny wrote: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + > g4sra wrote: > > > > Interestingly little mention of workstation BOOTP, NFS Root, Cloning > > On Boot. Manually applying CCR's in each training room of 28+ > > workstations is going to be a pita. No on

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:46:13 +0100 Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 03/12/18 at 18:19, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny > > wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > > Tomasz Kundera > > wrote

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On 03/12/18 at 18:19, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny > wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > Tomasz Kundera mailto:tnkund...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and >

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 18:19:04 +0100 Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny wrote: > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > > Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > > > > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and > > > complexity) of samba. > > > > > > > NIS is a bi

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On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rowland Penny wrote: > On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 > Tomasz Kundera wrote: > > > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and complexity) of > > samba. > > > > NIS is a bit outdated and Samba isn't that complex from a Linux point > of view. > It is

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 15:35:12 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Simon Hobson: > > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > Hm ... on devuan mailinglist asking for trainingroom setup for > > > 600 active user? I don't think server nor clients are M$-based, > > > bu

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 15:25:14 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:58:24 +0100 > > [...] > > > > No it doesn't, but then neither does Linux ;-) > > > > If you really wanted this, I am sure it is scriptable > > > > As for wh

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Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Simon Hobson: > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Hm ... on devuan mailinglist asking for trainingroom setup for 600 active > > user? I don't think server nor clients are M$-based, but I could be wrong > > here :-) > > Windoze isn't the only GUI desktop around

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Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hm ... on devuan mailinglist asking for trainingroom setup for 600 active > user? I don't think server nor clients are M$-based, but I could be wrong > here :-) Windoze isn't the only GUI desktop around ;-) ___ Dng mailin

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Bruce Ferrell wrote: > I've found that AD is VERY sensitive to time differences, even in a pure > windows environment. How Windows admins tolerate it I have yet to figure out. AIUI the DEFAULT in a Windoze network is that all the Domain Controllers are also time servers (not NTP, MS's own cre

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Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:58:24 +0100 > [...] > > > No it doesn't, but then neither does Linux ;-) > > > If you really wanted this, I am sure it is scriptable > > > As for which to use, an NFS or SMB mounted /home , most people seem > > > to use NFS.

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:58:24 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + > > g4sra wrote: > > > > > From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > > > contributions. Thank you all whom have contribu

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 05:51:30 -0800 Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 12/3/18 5:22 AM, g4sra wrote: > > >From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > > contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. > > > > To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be > > (or ra

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> On 4 Dec 2018, at 00:51, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > I've found that AD is VERY sensitive to time differences, even in a pure > windows environment. How Windows admins tolerate it I have yet to figure out. That would be from Kerberos? That’s a requirement regardless of using AD or MIT Kerbero

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Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + > g4sra wrote: > > > From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > > contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. > > > > To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to

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On 12/3/18 5:22 AM, g4sra wrote: >From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or rather didn't consider because) all but defunct, and not taken it's simplicity

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:22:40 + g4sra wrote: > From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting > contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. > > To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or > rather didn't consider because) all but defunct, and no

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From my perspective, this topic has had some very interesting contributions. Thank you all whom have contributed. To pick out just one as an example, I had considered NIS\YP to be (or rather didn't consider because) all but defunct, and not taken it's simplicity and reliability over other methods

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g4sra wrote: > To clarify some points raised. > > 1) Approx 200 trainees each year, the full course is three years long (but > class size will be 30 maximum at any one session). By year 3... 600 Users. > After year 3 the trainees details may be purged and resources reclaimed so > the server w

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Am Montag, 3. Dezember 2018 schrieb g4sra: > Some very useful feedback from you guys already, thanks. > > Don't forget standard best practices, backups of system and user's data, > selective updates and security patches must be manually applied > following proper change control procedures. > > Th

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Some very useful feedback from you guys already, thanks. Don't forget standard best practices, backups of system and user's data, selective updates and security patches must be manually applied following proper change control procedures. The server is RAIDed, the workstations have just a single H

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Rowland Penny wrote: > If you could set up such a scenario, then yes, your way could be used, > but there was a mention of a server. If you have a server, you usually > get files saved and read, so how do you differentiate between user > 'fred' from computer18 and 'fred' from computer23 ? I did

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 14:28:25 +0100 Tomasz Kundera wrote: > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and complexity) of > samba. > NIS is a bit outdated and Samba isn't that complex from a Linux point of view. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng

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On 02/12/18 at 14:28, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and complexity) of > samba.   As if NIS was simple... Alessandro > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:40 PM Carl > wrote: > > On 11/24/18 1:55 PM, g4sra wrote: > > > I wou

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You can still use NIS if you don't need the power (and complexity) of samba. On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:40 PM Carl wrote: > On 11/24/18 1:55 PM, g4sra wrote: > > > I would appreciate advice on the following situation > > > > I have several hosts of differing architectures or peripherals in a > >

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 10:07:23 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Rowland Penny wrote: > > >> Indeed, but this scenario is for a fixed setup where the users (28 > >> of them) are setup once and then there is no further user > >> maintenance going forward. In such a scenario, there's little > >> point in

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Rowland Penny wrote: >> Indeed, but this scenario is for a fixed setup where the users (28 of >> them) are setup once and then there is no further user maintenance >> going forward. In such a scenario, there's little point in going for >> the complexity of setting up AD - as you say, a one-off se

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Am Samstag, 1. Dezember 2018 schrieb Rowland Penny: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:17:58 + > Simon Hobson wrote: > > > Rowland Penny wrote: > > > > >> I think what Roland was getting at here is the number of users and > > >> how they are dealt with makes a huge difference. > > >> > > >> At one ex

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:17:58 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Rowland Penny wrote: > > >> I think what Roland was getting at here is the number of users and > >> how they are dealt with makes a huge difference. > >> > >> At one extreme, you have 28 seats, each one of them has a user such > >> as "us

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Rowland Penny wrote: >> I think what Roland was getting at here is the number of users and >> how they are dealt with makes a huge difference. >> >> At one extreme, you have 28 seats, each one of them has a user such >> as "user1", and you can simply use /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow to >> manage th

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 21:49:41 + Simon Hobson wrote: > g4sra wrote: > > >> How is the Linux server going to authenticate users, > >> via /etc/passwd or other ? > >> > >> A lot depends on this, also the number of users will have a factor > >> as well. > > > Which network authentication method

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g4sra wrote: >> How is the Linux server going to authenticate users, via /etc/passwd or >> other ? >> >> A lot depends on this, also the number of users will have a factor as >> well. > Which network authentication method would you suggest ? I think what Roland was getting at here is the numbe

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 20:46:58 + g4sra wrote: > One server and 28+ workstations all to be Linux, the rest of the > network is inconsequential (firewalled off). > OK, I would install the latest Samba I could get, which, as you will be running Devuan, will be from here: http://apt.van-belle.nl/

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One server and 28+ workstations all to be Linux, the rest of the network is inconsequential (firewalled off). On 01/12/2018 18:04, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 17:49:40 + > g4sra wrote: > >> Which network authentication method would you suggest ? >> >> On 01/12/2018 15:43, Rowla

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 17:49:40 + g4sra wrote: > Which network authentication method would you suggest ? > > On 01/12/2018 15:43, Rowland Penny wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 15:21:51 + > > g4sra wrote: > > > >> It's not an exhibition it's a room for training using simulation > >> software

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Which network authentication method would you suggest ? On 01/12/2018 15:43, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 15:21:51 + > g4sra wrote: > >> It's not an exhibition it's a room for training using simulation >> software (permanent classroom), think flight simulator game for 28+ >> peo

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 15:21:51 + g4sra wrote: > It's not an exhibition it's a room for training using simulation > software (permanent classroom), think flight simulator game for 28+ > people. Cabling is not my problem, the server and workstation software > configuration is ;). > > NFS ? SAMBA

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It's not an exhibition it's a room for training using simulation software (permanent classroom), think flight simulator game for 28+ people. Cabling is not my problem, the server and workstation software configuration is ;). NFS ? SAMBA ? Windows domain compatibility is not of consequence as the

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Steve Litt wrote: >> >> Do not run cables across the floor (taped down or otherwise), this >> would be a trip hazard. > > What other alternative is there for a temporary installation? Hung from the ceiling ? How practical that is depends on ceiling height, construction (suspended ceilings giv

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 21:25:00 + Rowland Penny wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:19:44 -0500 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:55:03 + > > g4sra wrote: > > > > > > > How should this training room be best implemented for reliability > > > and ease of maintenance ? > >

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:19:44 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:55:03 + > g4sra wrote: > > > > How should this training room be best implemented for reliability > > and ease of maintenance ? > > Be sure to tape every cable to the carpet/floor so nobody trips over > them. Ask

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:55:03 + g4sra wrote: > How should this training room be best implemented for reliability and > ease of maintenance ? Be sure to tape every cable to the carpet/floor so nobody trips over them. Ask the venue for which tape(s) are acceptable. SteveT Steve Litt Novembe

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On 11/24/18 1:55 PM, g4sra wrote: I would appreciate advice on the following situation I have several hosts of differing architectures or peripherals in a training room (several training rooms actually but each are independent of each other) which are supported by a server running the standard

[DNG] Request for comments - training room

I would appreciate advice on the following situation I have several hosts of differing architectures or peripherals in a training room (several training rooms actually but each are independent of each other) which are supported by a server running the standard *NIX network services DHCP, BIND etc.