Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/07/2015 19:24, Joel Roth a écrit : I notice that vipw and visudo default to vi. Honoring EDITOR or VISUAL environment variables by default would be a security hole, according to the man page. visudo honours EDITOR, but you can specify the list of accepted editors in the sudoers file,

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Joel Roth
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:45:03AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:51:50AM +0200, Martial Bornet wrote: > > If Devuan is intended to respect the Unix philosophy, it must include "vi" > > in the default installation, and not as an optional package. > > Why not propose a choic

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Richard
+1 Nano is ideal for the default install. A tool to get things working. After that, choice rules. Full stop. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:44:23PM +0200, Martial Bornet wrote: > Unless a distribution offers a choice for the default editor, it will be > impossible to satisfy everyone. > I don't despise nano nor emacs, I simply don't use them, and I'm sure I'll > never will. So nano or emacs would be very bad

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:51:50AM +0200, Martial Bornet wrote: > If Devuan is intended to respect the Unix philosophy, it must include "vi" > in the default installation, and not as an optional package. > Why not propose a choice for those who want another editor ? I have no problem with vi in th

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread David Harrison
Just a thought: how about building these editor options into the installer? That way everyone's happy before they even log in for the first time... Please choose your default text editor: [x] Nano (recommended for beginners) [ ] Vim (more experienced users) [ ] Emacs (more experienced us

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Martial Bornet
Unless a distribution offers a choice for the default editor, it will be impossible to satisfy everyone. I don't despise nano nor emacs, I simply don't use them, and I'm sure I'll never will. So nano or emacs would be very bad choices for me. The best choice is to let the user choose it's own defau

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Oz Tiram
I am an avid VIM user, and I despise VI. If devuan is about choice you can always apt-get install vim-minimal after the default install. Nano is a better choice for anyone, because it is not as large as VIM. Emacs is also not intuitive. I see no real obvious reason to default to vi instead of n

Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-16 Thread Martial Bornet
If Devuan is intended to respect the Unix philosophy, it must include "vi" in the default installation, and not as an optional package. Why not propose a choice for those who want another editor ? 2015-07-15 18:56 GMT+02:00 Hendrik Boom : > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wr

[DNG] Proposed editor change

2015-07-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Franco Lanza" > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > >> Which is Devuan intended to be? > >> > >> 1) Debian without systemd > >> 2) A Debian-like distro > >> > > > > N