On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:59:16PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
That's exactly why I like Modula 3. You use structured code where
that's good. You use objects and inheritance where that's good.
You use interaes and modules where that's good. And all those are
separate concepts that can be used i
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:00:53PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
And last I heard, they were processing everything on magnetic tapes.
It might be better for them to use a database on redundant, backed-up
disk drives. Perhaps that's the motive for a rewrite, rather than it
all being COBOL.
If they
I guess I'm learning COBOL then!
C11 is a little too abstract anyway. (at least, GCC makes it abstract)
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Politics of IT in the U.S. government
http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-o
Le 05/08/2016 01:59, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
That's exactly why I like Modula 3. You use structured code where
that's good. You use objects and inheritance where that's good.
You use interaes and modules where that's good. And all those are
separate concepts that can be used independently. If
On 05.08.2016 01:18, Steve Litt wrote:
> The kinds of things that eliminate conditionals can also be done by C
> structs, Perl hashs, Python dicts, etc. You could, if you wanted to,
> even pin function references to a struct, hash or dict to avoid OOP.
The interesting - maybe philosophical - que
On 05.08.2016 00:10, Joel Roth wrote:
> What do you mean by "imperative" that contrasts with
> something that smalltalk has/does?
For example, explicit control flow vs. messages.
Oberon's elems framework seems to be a bit in the middle.
> I can't speak to C++ or Java. So when I talk about OO, I
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:18:12PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Expectations (again): They said OOP must be all or nothing. Smalltalk
> good, Perl bad. No fair using structured code where it works best, and
> objects where they work best. Nope, if you're not 100% OOP, you're just
> a hack. LOL, Ja
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:10:17 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> What do you mean by "imperative" that contrasts with
> something that smalltalk has/does?
>
> ISTC the original traits paper is in reference to SmallTalk.
>
> I can't speak to C++ or Java. So when I talk about OO, I'm
> speaking through the
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 09:11:22AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> On 04.08.2016 08:43, Joel Roth wrote:
>
> > In which language? Whose expectations?
> > Probably you never used OO much, or had problems
> > that OO is well suited to solving.
>
> I'd guess, he's referring to the
On 04.08.2016 08:43, Joel Roth wrote:
> In which language? Whose expectations?
> Probably you never used OO much, or had problems
> that OO is well suited to solving.
I'd guess, he's referring to the imperative OOP, like eg. C++,
Java, etc are doing it (smalltalk etc are quite different) - at
lea
Steve Litt wrote:
> > Then there's OOP. My opinion: OOP didn't achieve our expectations for
> > it, it's often misused, it's vastly misunderstood.
In which language? Whose expectations?
Probably you never used OO much, or had problems
that OO is well suited to solving.
To say that the ability to
When I used Delphi it had a predefined number type specifically for
financial calculations. This was the Currency type.
Currency = int64
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/182475/how-to-avoid-rounding-problems-when-comparing-currency-values-in-delphi
On 04/08/2016, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consu
On 03.08.2016 23:58, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Floating-point just isn't accurate enough. Multiple-precision scaled
> fixed-point would work, even if it's binary.
The limited precision isn't the actual problem, but the strictly
defined rounding rules. To be financially accurate, you'll have to
compl
On 03.08.2016 20:41, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Politics of IT in the U.S. government
>
> http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-old-it.html
Hmm, Cobol (or Kobol), old Mainframes ... just add the recent events
of a Russian plane electronically shutti
Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org):
> Good post Steve :^) I was reading the GAO report already back in May,
> very interesting. Scaringly enough all rethoric goes bashing what's
> old, a myopic prerogative of the startup-innovation-hype. Very
> surprising to see there is no critical voice in the
Le 03/08/2016 23:58, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
COBOL has fixed point base 10 operations, which is mandatory for
financial computation. C hasn't. I've heared that, in the US at least,
floating point operations are illegal in the finan
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> COBOL has fixed point base 10 operations, which is mandatory for
> financial computation. C hasn't. I've heared that, in the US at least,
> floating point operations are illegal in the finance area. The only other
> language I kn
Le 03/08/2016 20:41, Steve Litt a écrit :
Politics of IT in the U.S. government
http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-old-it.html
Hi all,
In the preceding article, put away all the politics: That's not the
subject of my email.
At first I alm
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:50:53 +0100
Simon Hobson wrote:
> The banks - they have enormous amounts of "legacy" code which isn't broken
> and so isn't in need of fixing. Plus, the risks to them of replacing it is
> quite high.
The insurance company I worked for in France had umpteen million lines o
Yup - COBOL is a really good niche market for programmers.
On 8/3/16 3:50 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
At first I almost vomited when reading this sentence:
The Social Security Administration, for instance, has more than 60
milli
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Politics of IT in the U.S. government
>
> http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-old-it.html
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the preceding article, put away all the politics: That's not the
> s
Steve Litt wrote:
> At first I almost vomited when reading this sentence:
>
>
> The Social Security Administration, for instance, has more than 60
> million lines of Cobol,
>
>
> My first thought:
Good post Steve :^) I was reading the GAO report already back in May,
very interesting. Scaringly enough all rethoric goes bashing what's
old, a myopic prerogative of the startup-innovation-hype. Very
surprising to see there is no critical voice in the debate.
I'm afraid these ICT shills will ad
Politics of IT in the U.S. government
http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-old-it.html
Hi all,
In the preceding article, put away all the politics: That's not the
subject of my email.
At first I almost vomited when reading this sentence:
==
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