Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-05 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 02:12:28PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > Aren't these things that naturally belong into X or the input itself, It would be nice if x itself implemented an accessibility framework, but it currently doesn't as far as I know. If it did, people with disabili

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-05 Thread aitor_czr
Hi again, On 05/05/2017 07:59 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi parazyd, On 05/04/2017 03:58 PM, parazyd wrote: On Thu, 04 May 2017, aitor_czr wrote: Hi parazyd, On 05/04/2017 01:15 PM, parazyd [1] wrote: Ok, so vanilla GTK*does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for anothe r too

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-05 Thread aitor_czr
Hi parazyd, On 05/04/2017 03:58 PM, parazyd wrote: On Thu, 04 May 2017, aitor_czr wrote: Hi parazyd, On 05/04/2017 01:15 PM, parazyd [1] wrote: Ok, so vanilla GTK*does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for anothe r toolkit then i guess... GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.05.2017 22:47, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 04:15:15PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult > wrote: >> What exactly does that 'accessibility' stuff actually do ? > > It does for people with various disabilities what a screen, keyboard > and mouse do for people without

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 04:15:15PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > What exactly does that 'accessibility' stuff actually do ? It does for people with various disabilities what a screen, keyboard and mouse do for people without disabilities. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Radagast
Well, that would be a brainpain to maintain... Where might I find the GTK2 bugtracker? bugzilla.gnome.org seemed void of GTK2 stuff. /Radagast On Thu, 04 May 2017 19:01:47 +0200 Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-05-04 17:22, schrieb Radagast: > > Now that you mention it, I recall I read somewhe

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-05-04 17:22, schrieb Radagast: Now that you mention it, I recall I read somewhere that GTK2 is still receiving secrity updates. So, that might be an option... I would also vote for gtk2. gtk3 ist strictly bound to Gnome 3 and changes every few days, breaking current themes. Jochen __

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Radagast
Now that you mention it, I recall I read somewhere that GTK2 is still receiving secrity updates. So, that might be an option... Radgast On Thu, 4 May 2017 10:56:58 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 11:43:33AM +0200, Radagast wrote: > > Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd.

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread parazyd
On Thu, 04 May 2017, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 04.05.2017 15:58, parazyd wrote: > > > Nope, Gtk3 does depend on dbus. More correctly, its accessibility parts > > depend on dbus. > > What exactly does that 'accessibility' stuff actually do ? It's somewhat a black box. Nobody e

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.05.2017 15:58, parazyd wrote: > Nope, Gtk3 does depend on dbus. More correctly, its accessibility parts > depend on dbus. What exactly does that 'accessibility' stuff actually do ? --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailingli

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.05.2017 15:12, aitor_czr wrote: > Gtk3 doesn't depend on dbus, whereas some apps like slim, synaptic, > thunar, seahorse, nautilus... But not Gtk per se, neither the Qt toolkit. Qt does - at least much parts of it. You can opt-out at build time, but then you'll looser other features. BTW:

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.05.2017 11:56, KatolaZ wrote: > Remember that GNOME itself was born as a tentative countermeasure to KDE, > which was using the (then non-free) QT libraries, hence forcing users > to abide to a non-free license from Trolltech... ... and because of the resource consumption, excessive build t

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.05.2017 11:51, parazyd wrote: > GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend on dbus & co., Which already is bad enough. Actually, desktop-bus coming from these folks - which makes it even funnier that more and more embedded folks are using it (and then whining about resource consumption and bad perfor

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 04.05.2017 11:43, Radagast wrote: > Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for > another toolkit then i guess... I've started hacking up my own widget toolkit. Yet in a pretty early stage - for now just using it for some small DRM/KMS-based apps. https://github.

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread parazyd
On Thu, 04 May 2017, aitor_czr wrote: >Hi parazyd, >On 05/04/2017 01:15 PM, parazyd [1] wrote: > > Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for > anothe > r toolkit then i guess... > > GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend on dbus & co., but does not depend on > s

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread aitor_czr
Hi parazyd, On 05/04/2017 01:15 PM, parazyd wrote: Ok, so vanilla GTK*does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for another toolkit then i guess... GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend on dbus & co., but does not depend on systemd. It would be very wrong to do so actually, since a lot of

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread parazyd
On Thu, 04 May 2017, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 11:43:33AM +0200, Radagast wrote: > > Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for > > another toolkit then i guess... > > > > ...or perhaps help maintaining and developing GTK2, which does not > depend o

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 11:43:33AM +0200, Radagast wrote: > Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for > another toolkit then i guess... > ...or perhaps help maintaining and developing GTK2, which does not depend on systemd. Hard times ahead, but nobody has ever ma

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread parazyd
On Thu, 04 May 2017, Radagast wrote: > Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for > another toolkit then i guess... GNOME != GTK3. Gtk3 does depend on dbus & co., but does not depend on systemd. It would be very wrong to do so actually, since a lot of applications

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Radagast
Ok, so vanilla GTK *does* depend on systemd. Well, best start looking for another toolkit then i guess... /Radagast On Thu, 4 May 2017 11:25:28 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 4 May 2017 10:25:15 +0200, Radagast wrote in message > <20170504102515.40808d6fabf126cb5be01...@openmailbox.org>:

Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 4 May 2017 10:25:15 +0200, Radagast wrote in message <20170504102515.40808d6fabf126cb5be01...@openmailbox.org>: > Hi all! > > Can I build a GUI application on GTK3 and expect it to be independent > from systemd? I've been looking around trying to figure this out but > so far I've found n

[DNG] GTK3 and systemd

2017-05-04 Thread Radagast
Hi all! Can I build a GUI application on GTK3 and expect it to be independent from systemd? I've been looking around trying to figure this out but so far I've found no straight answers. Mabye my looking skills aren't up to par, still asking beats not knowing any day and this seems like the righ