Steve Litt writes:
I hadn't thought much about several people using the same computer for
different GUI tasks in the last 12 years.
It happens. There are some family-shared tablets with >1 account. Rumour
has it it's rare, although I've never spoken to anyone with numbers and
without an NDA.
On Sat, 7/23/16, Robert Storey wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
golinux said:
>> Thanks for reminding me about reisuo/b. Is reisuo/b really enabled on devuan
>> by
>> de
golinux said:
> Thanks for reminding me about reisuo/b. Is reisuo/b really enabled on
devuan by
> default? Seems like I tried it a while back and it didn't work. So I
checked
> /etc/sysctl.conf and the line needed wasn't there (neither was there any
other
> uncommented line). So my question is
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:45:43 +0200, Didier wrote in message
<57932eb7.6080...@in2p3.fr>:
> Le 22/07/2016 23:33, Rick Moen a écrit :
> > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> >
> >> ..bytt ut "inn" med "på", rett oversatt skal dette være:
> >> "Jeg kan også skrive på mitt tredje språk." ;o)
>
Le 22/07/2016 23:33, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
..bytt ut "inn" med "på", rett oversatt skal dette være:
"Jeg kan også skrive på mitt tredje språk." ;o)
I'm learning, though, and I thank you. ;->
Hope you won't spend as much of the bandwidth with e-lear
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> ..bytt ut "inn" med "på", rett oversatt skal dette være:
> "Jeg kan også skrive på mitt tredje språk." ;o)
I'm learning, though, and I thank you. ;->
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:14:03 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> Another possibility which I use to get ₲, €, ß, and (Spanish) acute accented
> vowels on my French keyboard is to add the following to .bashrc:
>
> xmodmap -e "keycode 66 ="
> xmodmap -e "keycode 24 = a A a A aacute adiaeresis aci
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:04:24 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 07:52:59AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > Same problem as you: accents aren't available on En keyboards (or by
> > tricks I ignore). I use to pick them from various documents with the mouse -
> > or use a Fr keyb
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 07:52:59AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Same problem as you: accents aren't available on En keyboards (or by
> tricks I ignore). I use to pick them from various documents with the mouse -
> or use a Fr keyboard.
Then you want a Compose key. On real keyboards, it's best
On Thu, 7/21/16, Robert Storey wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Thursday, July 21, 2016, 6:51 AM
>
> For "halt," there are always magic keys, as long as that's not disabled by
> the sysadmin...
>
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:24:29 -0700, Rick wrote in message
<20160722052429.gn30...@linuxmafia.com>:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > With a French keyboard, I can write in en-UK or en-US, and it is
> > also much more convenient when writing in fr-FR.
>
> Vraiment? C'est intéressant.
Le 22/07/2016 08:48, Simon Walter a écrit :
I hope I am not stating the obvious. Did you press the Fn key?
Notebook computers have an Fn key to access the smaller label. For
example, Apples have set at the Fn keys to be volume, screen
brightness, etc. You need to press Fn + F10 to get F10, since
Le 22/07/2016 09:53, KatolaZ a écrit :
P.S.: It's surprising how this thread has eventually become a
pyttipanna [1] :D
You are right. Let's stop it.
Didier
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Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Why such a complicated solution?
Since you ask: Simplicity.
I can ssh from anywhere, and my computing is comfortably centred on my
server, regardless of where I happen to be in the wide world, and
regardless of what local console host I happen to be sitti
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 08:38:30AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 22/07/2016 08:07, Rick Moen a écrit :
> > My MUA (mail user agent = e-mail
> >client) is running on my SMTP server, uncle-enzo.linuxmafia.com,
> >mutt under GNU screen on Linux -- but I'm almost never there.
> >Instead, I'm pretty
On 07/22/2016 01:56 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 21/07/2016 14:50, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
Didier Kryn writes:
I don't reply to your questions since Florian did :-) but I,
myself, have two questions:
- Still don't know what key you are talking of; never
seen that on a keyboard.
-
Le 22/07/2016 08:07, Rick Moen a écrit :
My MUA (mail user agent = e-mail
client) is running on my SMTP server, uncle-enzo.linuxmafia.com,
mutt under GNU screen on Linux -- but I'm almost never there.
Instead, I'm pretty much anywhere else in the world, typing on some
machine that is ssh'ed to
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Same problem as you: accents aren't available on En keyboards
> (or by tricks I ignore). I use to pick them from various documents
> with the mouse - or use a Fr keyboard.
I actually have a bigger problem. My MUA (mail user agent = e-mail
client) is running
Le 22/07/2016 07:24, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>With a French keyboard, I can write in en-UK or en-US, and it is
>also much more convenient when writing in fr-FR.
Vraiment? C'est intéressant. ('Truly? This is interesting.')
I must confess ignorance. FWIW, usu
Le 22/07/2016 07:18, Adam Borowski a écrit :
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:01:34PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
BTW my laptop has an English keyboard because it is impossible in
Europe to buy one with a US keyboard.
You're not missing a _thing_! ;-> (I say this
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> With a French keyboard, I can write in en-UK or en-US, and it is
> also much more convenient when writing in fr-FR.
Vraiment? C'est intéressant. ('Truly? This is interesting.')
I must confess ignorance. FWIW, usually in my experience, the main
disadvan
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:01:34PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
>
> > BTW my laptop has an English keyboard because it is impossible in
> > Europe to buy one with a US keyboard.
>
> You're not missing a _thing_! ;-> (I say this as a native speaker of
> English,
Le 22/07/2016 07:01, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
BTW my laptop has an English keyboard because it is impossible in
Europe to buy one with a US keyboard.
You're not missing a _thing_! ;-> (I say this as a native speaker of
English, who also speaks American through
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> BTW my laptop has an English keyboard because it is impossible in
> Europe to buy one with a US keyboard.
You're not missing a _thing_! ;-> (I say this as a native speaker of
English, who also speaks American through translation.)
--
Cheers,
Le 21/07/2016 14:50, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
Didier Kryn writes:
I don't reply to your questions since Florian did :-) but I,
myself, have two questions:
- Still don't know what key you are talking of; never
seen that on a keyboard.
- What do you mean by "reisuo" ?
You lea
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Rick Moen wrote:
>
> > That's what it's like to be among the lucky 10,000!
> > https://xkcd.com/1053/
>
> For the past 25 years, I shake my head in amazement at the profound
> stupidity of myself at an age five years earlier.
You might have been
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:18:14 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
>
> > You learn something new every day. Today it's sysrq and linux:
> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
>
> That's what it's like to be among the lucky 10,000!
> http
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> You learn something new every day. Today it's sysrq and linux:
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
That's what it's like to be among the lucky 10,000!
https://xkcd.com/1053/
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On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 09:09:28AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> I've now replaced Slim by Lightdm. Dunno what key "sysrq" is.
sysrq is sometimes labelled PrtSc. In the old DOS days, it would print
the screen.
No doubt this might require documentation, too.
-- hendrik
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Le 21/07/2016 14:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
I wrote:
You learn something new every day. Today it's sysrq and linux:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
The poor developers among you may take special note of alt-sysrq-f,
which kills a memory-eating process quite reliably. Th
Didier Kryn writes:
Thanks to you all! I eventually discovered that my
key had also a tiny label saying sys-rq !
Will try it tonight...
You can always get a daskeyboard or happy hacker and escape the tyranny of
built-in documentation. This is mine:
http://www.getdigital.de/images/action
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 01:50:41PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Didier Kryn writes:
> >- Still don't know what key you are talking of; never seen
> >that on a keyboard.
It might be either a key on its own or printed on the side of PrtScr.
> >- What do you mean by "reisuo" ?
>
> You
Le 21/07/2016 14:50, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
Didier Kryn writes:
I don't reply to your questions since Florian did :-) but I,
myself, have two questions:
- Still don't know what key you are talking of; never
seen that on a keyboard.
- What do you mean by "reisuo" ?
You lea
I wrote:
You learn something new every day. Today it's sysrq and linux:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
The poor developers among you may take special note of alt-sysrq-f, which
kills a memory-eating process quite reliably. The good developers among you
never have bugs that
Didier Kryn writes:
I don't reply to your questions since Florian did :-) but
I, myself, have two questions:
- Still don't know what key you are talking of;
never seen that on a keyboard.
- What do you mean by "reisuo" ?
You learn something new every day. Today it's sysrq and
Le 21/07/2016 13:51, Robert Storey a écrit :
Not that I want to do so, but can ctrl-alt-f1+ctrl-alt-del be disabled
by the sysadmin?
For "halt," there are always magic keys, as long as that's not
disabled by the sysadmin...
Alt-SysRq reisuo
I don't reply to your questions since Florian
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:51:04 +0800
Robert Storey wrote:
> Not that I want to do so, but can ctrl-alt-f1+ctrl-alt-del be
> disabled by the sysadmin?
Yes, you can disable both, independently:
The command executed by ctrl+alt+del is defined in /etc/inittab.
The switching of virtual consoles with
Didier Kryn said:
> In any case, any person who has the possibility to push the power
> button or cut the power cord should be given the opportunity to click
> the halt button instead. ctrl-alt-f1+ctrl-alt-del can be used to
> reboot, but there's nothing to halt.
I'd actually forgotten about
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> I don't know anybody able to stop a server because of own
> unawareness. They all would do it only on request by the admin.
> Hypothetic malevolent people just haven't the key of the room.
That works! ;->
Believe it or not, though, it's not unknown to
Le 21/07/2016 06:48, Rick Moen a écrit :
The purpose
of making such software shutdown not trivially easy wasn't to prevent
shutdown. It is to create undeniable awareness. Mindfulness.
The standard solution to give users_deliberately_ that software access
is to add them to a group with that
Le 21/07/2016 04:15, Adam Borowski a écrit :
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:27:25PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
In any case, any person who has the possibility to push the
power button or cut the power cord should be given the opportunity
to click the halt button in
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> An orderly shutdown is better than an unclean one, thus any display
> manager that forbids local users to shutdown is buggy.
Let me tell you a metaphor, to sneak up on why it's not that simple.
I have a sign at the entrance to my garden. For contex
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:27:25PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> > In any case, any person who has the possibility to push the
> > power button or cut the power cord should be given the opportunity
> > to click the halt button instead. ctrl-alt-f1+ctrl-alt-del can
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> Rick Moen writes:
> >Funny that you should mention that: You might actually have seen that
> >tale as related by _me_ on Risks Digest.
>
> The substance is similar but the wording unfamiliar. Could it
> possibly be that such a thing has happ
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> In any case, any person who has the possibility to push the
> power button or cut the power cord should be given the opportunity
> to click the halt button instead. ctrl-alt-f1+ctrl-alt-del can be
> used to reboot, but there's nothing to halt.
Halt is accom
Le 20/07/2016 15:42, Simon Hobson a écrit :
What I struggle to understand is why "multiseat" as it's being discussed here (as an aside to the "can I shutdown
from the login screen" discussion) should be considered so "hard". It's really (or shouldn't be) any different to
(say) serial terminals
Le 20/07/2016 15:42, Simon Hobson a écrit :
it is perfectly possible to run a remote KVM which*CAN* do that. Just extend
the KVM cables, and if they won't go far enough of you can't run the cables,
convert to something intermediate (eg KVM over IP) very much like connecting a
serial termina
Didier Kryn wrote:
>I don't understand all your explanations, sorry :-) . I understood the
> concept of "seat" as the combo you describe (graphics-keyboard-mouse).
>
> If the concept of "seat" includes serial terminals, I see no reason to not
> include remote logins: until the middle of
Rick Moen writes:
Funny that you should mention that: You might actually have seen that
tale as related by _me_ on Risks Digest.
The substance is similar but the wording unfamiliar. Could it possibly be
that such a thing has happened twice? Surely not.
(BTW, I had to explain a two-routers-i
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> Reminds me of the story about the airline captain who took the mike
> to apologise to the passengers for a delay: "I was held up in the
> security control, they were worried that I might seize control of
> the airplane."
Funny that you should
Rick Moen writes:
Remember, Unix is a multiuser operating system, and also one supporting
both local and remote users, who would be annoyed by someone deciding to
cut them off.
Reminds me of the story about the airline captain who took the mike to
apologise to the passengers for a delay: "I wa
Steve Litt writes:
I hadn't thought much about several people using the same computer for
different GUI tasks in the last 12 years.
It happens. There are some family-shared tablets with >1 account. Rumour
has it it's rare, although I've never spoken to anyone with numbers and
without an NDA.
Le 19/07/2016 16:03, Simon Hobson a écrit :
Didier Kryn wrote:
I guess this is exactly what "multi-seat" means: severall keyboards and severall grapical cards
connected to the same host. It certainly does not include serial terminals. Serial terminal fall in the
category "multi-user", li
Le 19/07/2016 18:33, Rick Moen a écrit :
You speak as if the consequences of host shutdown (or reboot) were
trivial, but that is not the case: A local user who has shutdown the
host has terminated all processes (not just his/her own), and made the
entire machine unavailable to everyone.
Seen th
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> I have two reasons someone (not me, but somebody) would prefer to start
> up in a GUI:
>
> 1) Some members of my family consider it an immense challenge to have
>to remember to input their username and password at the console,
>recognize t
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:40:13 +0200
aitor_czr wrote:
> On 07/19/2016 07:38 PM, Robert Storey wrote:
> > About SLIM as a display manager - I'm fine with it, even if it's
> > not really maintained. The important thing is that it's fast,
> > stable, not riddled with security holes (including systemd
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:23:47 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> > And as i said before, lxdm is nearly equally leightweight as slim
> > and as far as i see not really systemd infected - yet (?).
>
> Why do you like using a display manager rather than login
> and startx?
I
On 20/07/16 05:24, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:03:24 +1200
> Daniel Reurich wrote:
>
>
>> LTSP provides more then just financial benefits. I maintain 3 sites
>> using it for computer hubs that provide basic internet access and
>> computer skills training. The benefits of that ce
On 07/19/2016 07:38 PM, Robert Storey wrote:
About SLIM as a display manager - I'm fine with it, even if it's not really
maintained. The important thing is that it's fast, stable, not riddled with
security holes (including systemd). I'm open though to changing to
something better, if there is
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:06:11 +
schrieb Jaromil :
> but then one really needs to be pro-active about it here. So: if
> anyone wants a DM that is not packaged, even before asking for it
> should do an effort at its packaging.
lxdm is there already (in ascii but not jessie). I tried to do a
conf
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:57:35 +
schrieb Joel Roth :
> emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> > And as i said before, lxdm is nearly equally leightweight as slim
> > and as far as i see not really systemd infected - yet (?).
>
> Why do you like using a display manager rather than login
> and startx?
Jaromil wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Joel Roth wrote:
>
> > Why do you like using a display manager rather than login
> > and startx?
>
> good question I wasn't daring to pose so far.
>
> login and startx (and ~/.xinitrc configuration) work like a charm on
> Devuan... and anywhere else FWIW. p
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> OK, I think I see. I was assuming that there's no graphical terminal
> cheaper than a cheap commodity computer with mobo. To the extent that
> there are graphical terminals cheaper than commodity computers, it
> makes sense.
Yeah, well, you put yo
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Joel Roth wrote:
> Why do you like using a display manager rather than login
> and startx?
good question I wasn't daring to pose so far.
login and startx (and ~/.xinitrc configuration) work like a charm on
Devuan... and anywhere else FWIW. plus give you the big advantage of
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Multiseat is unimportant, barely significant. The price of computers
> has dropped enough that the ones with UIs are now personal
> devices. The architecture of backends has changed such that UIDs
> aren't used for customer IDs.
> A few exceptions re
emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> And as i said before, lxdm is nearly equally leightweight as slim and
> as far as i see not really systemd infected - yet (?).
Why do you like using a display manager rather than login
and startx?
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Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:38:16 +
schrieb Robert Storey :
> About SLIM as a display manager - I'm fine with it, even if it's not
> really maintained. The important thing is that it's fast, stable, not
> riddled with security holes (including systemd). I'm open though to
> changing to something be
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:59:26 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:08:01 -0700
> > Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> > > It fits logically into the 'effective use of autonomous host
> > > w/console stations having the independent local pro
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:08:01 -0700
> Rick Moen wrote:
>
> > It fits logically into the 'effective use of autonomous host w/console
> > stations having the independent local processing ability that mere
> > consoles lack' category, of course. Was
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:08:01 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > Where does Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP,
> > http://www.ltsp.org/) fit into this discussion?
>
> It fits logically into the 'effective use of autonomous host w/console
> stations
This discussion (which started with just documenting what you could do at
the login screen) has certainly taken on a life of its own.
For my own needs, I'm not concerned about multiseat, but recognize that a
few (probably very few) others are.
I suppose if you really want to protect against a sin
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:03:24 +1200
Daniel Reurich wrote:
> LTSP provides more then just financial benefits. I maintain 3 sites
> using it for computer hubs that provide basic internet access and
> computer skills training. The benefits of that centralisation both of
> the applications platform
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Where does Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP, http://www.ltsp.org/)
> fit into this discussion?
It fits logically into the 'effective use of autonomous host w/console
stations having the independent local processing ability that mere
consoles la
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:29:23 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> > Simon Walter writes:
> >
> >> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to
> >> mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
> >
> > Quite likel
Quoting Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl):
> So it would be sensible to ask for root password IF there are other
> (remote) users logged in. If there is no one logged in, shutdown/reboot
> should be possible without entering root password.
You speak as if the consequences of host shutdown (or
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:17:32 +0900
Simon Walter wrote:
> On 07/19/2016 11:53 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> ...
> > All that talk about multiseat being important or even relevant
> > today is IMO bullshit.
> ...
>
> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind.
> There is th
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 04:25:59PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
[cut]
>
> So it would be sensible to ask for root password IF there are other
> (remote) users logged in. If there is no one logged in, shutdown/reboot
> should be possible without entering root password.
> Above heuristic could
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:25:59 +0200
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 07:43:51PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com):
> >
> > > This is one I find interesting. I've never used an operating
> > > system where it was required to know root creden
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 07:43:51PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com):
>
> > This is one I find interesting. I've never used an operating system
> > where it was required to know root credentials to halt or reboot the
> > machine from the login screen.
>
>
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 03:03:35PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> >I guess this is exactly what "multi-seat" means: severall keyboards and
> > severall grapical cards connected to the same host. It certainly does not
> > include serial terminals. Serial terminal fall in
Didier Kryn wrote:
>I guess this is exactly what "multi-seat" means: severall keyboards and
> severall grapical cards connected to the same host. It certainly does not
> include serial terminals. Serial terminal fall in the category "multi-user",
> like ssh connections, not "multi-seat".
>
> I can say with authority that multiseat doesn't have any value *for
> me*. I looked into it a long time ago and decided that LTSP was
> more straightforward. These days, prices of hardware have come down
> enough that other people replace their computers after only a few
> years and I get
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Nowadays to find a regular person who doesn't own multiple computers, you
> need to go to Africa or rural India.
>
> I'd say it's safe to assume that a person authorized to login on the
> console
> (either text or graphical) is supposed to
Le 19/07/2016 13:34, Adam Borowski a écrit :
But why would anyone make a graphical console without a computer this
millenium? Even if used just as a thin client, some extra logic to manage
this would be nice. A computer costs a few cents these days, or, if you
want a capable board and connector
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 01:29:23AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Latter page mentions 'Multiseat setups are great for schools, libraries,
> and family computers.' Arguably true, _maybe_. Depends on the economics
> of additional consoles versus extra complete computers, I guess. I
> enjoyed using min
There are lots of unix boxes that serve many users. The mail server that
sends this does, without requiring each email user to have a unix account.
The only devuan server I have in production so far does, but the users are
in a postgres database, not in /etc/password.
There are also lots of un
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> >I have to confess that I personally didn't understand how multiseat
> >differs from multiuser on Linux until quite recently. Pro bono publico:
> >It concerns simultaneous _local_ users.
>
> Does that include serial devices?
Excellent question. I am
On 07/19/2016 05:29 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
Simon Walter writes:
Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to
mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
Quite likely he might, he's not stupid after all.
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> Simon Walter writes:
>
>> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to
>> mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
>
> Quite likely he might, he's not stupid after all. And I agree too:
> Multiseat is
Simon Walter writes:
Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to
mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
Quite likely he might, he's not stupid after all. And I agree too:
Multiseat is unimportant, barely significant. The price of computers has
droppe
On 07/19/2016 11:53 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
...
All that talk about multiseat being important or even relevant today is IMO
bullshit.
...
Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind.
There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
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Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com):
> Rick I completely understand that sentiment, and none of my servers
> have a GUI on them. I just "assumed" (yeah, my mistake) that display
> managers were used only on single user desktop machines.
Predominantly, to be sure.
In the mid 1990s,
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:38:07AM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote:
> So all that rambling comes back to "why do I need to know my root password
> to halt or reboot the machine from the login screen?"
Because half a century ago you had plenty of users per machine. Rebooting
obviously destroyed the wor
On 19/07/16 10:43, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com):
This is one I find interesting. I've never used an operating system
where it was required to know root credentials to halt or reboot the
machine from the login screen.
Remember, Unix is a multiuser operatin
Quoting Brad Campbell (lists2...@fnarfbargle.com):
> This is one I find interesting. I've never used an operating system
> where it was required to know root credentials to halt or reboot the
> machine from the login screen.
Remember, Unix is a multiuser operating system, and also one supporting
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:07:01AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
> I am pretty sure it's trivial to install a different login manager
> if SLiM is not to your liking. Or has systemd crept into the rest of
> them?
No, lightdm is installable and systemd free on devuan. That along with
lightdm-gtk-greet
On 07/19/2016 10:38 AM, Brad Campbell wrote:
On 19/07/16 00:37, Steve Litt wrote:
SPECIAL USERNAMES
For instance, to reboot the computer from the login screen, type in the
username "reboot" (without the quotes), then when asked for the
password put the root password, and it reboots.
...
This
On 19/07/16 00:37, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
SPECIAL USERNAMES
The login screen has no controls other than the input field. So how do
you reboot, halt or go to a console from the login screen? The answer
is, you use a special username.
For instance, to reboot the computer from the login scre
Hi all,
Until documentation or on-screen instructions make this unnecessary,
this email serves to document various actions the user can perform
while on Devuan's login screen. The login screen is that screen that
asks for your username, and then after that, it asks for your password.
It typically
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