Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-24 Thread Steve Litt
Bruce Perens via Dng said on Sun, 23 Jan 2022 12:02:24 -0800 >Busybox is GNU. The fact that FSF doesn't own it is immaterial. I >developed it for Debian GNU/Linux. Bruce, Thanks for developing Busybox! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful T

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-23 Thread Bruce Perens via Dng
Busybox is GNU. The fact that FSF doesn't own it is immaterial. I developed it for Debian GNU/Linux. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 11:07 AM onefang wrote: > On 2022-01-20 18:40:13, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-22 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 1/21/22 22:26, Hendrik Boom wrote: [snip] Whatever the licence then, it seems to have ended up with a sufficiently free licence for Intel to put a copy of it in the management engine in their CPUs for the last decade or so *without informing Tannenbaum*. Tannenbaum was miffed; he said the lice

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 21-01-2022 21:26, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 02:46:39PM +1100, terryc wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:25:50 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: On Sun, 2022-

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 02:46:39PM +1100, terryc wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:25:50 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > > > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -05

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread Steve Litt
> >On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched >> the video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E >> >> It's Brian Kernighan discussing the formation of Unix, starting from >> the back stor

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread Alexa _video_game via Dng
Thank to Steve Litt, thank to all for these discussions. I'm a simple GNU/Linux user, without experience, just a free software lover. I start to know to use PC since 1996. I grew up knowing only '95, only his suites, spending a lot on licenses. I accidentally learned about GNU / Linux from a friend

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread . via Dng
Thanks for the correction.  Here's a Wikipedia link to the "Tanenbaum-Torvalds debate": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate -bobmon On 1/21/22 08:12, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: On 1/21/22 06:00, terryc wrote: Didn't Linus start what became Linux because M

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-21 Thread . via Dng
On 1/21/22 06:00, terryc wrote: Didn't Linus start what became Linux because Minix was only 286 capable and was not going to be upgraded and Linux wanted something that would run on 386 cpus. I think there was also a licensing issue involved in modifying Minix. Minix exemplified Andy Tanenba

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread terryc
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:25:50 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > https://www.y

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread onefang
On 2022-01-20 18:40:13, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > > > Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've alw

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > > > Thanks for the link to that - brilli

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought that > Brian Kernighan himself was the great com

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread Peter Duffy
Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought that Brian Kernighan himself was the great communicator in the UNIX group - I wonder whether "The C Programming Language" and "The Unix Programming Environment" would have happened without his obvious ability to take abstruse and dif

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread al3xu5 via Dng
Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + - ael via Dng : > On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the > > video: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > But youtube has become impossible to

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 16-01-2022 15:32, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: On 16 Jan 2022, at 23:38, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote: Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing. uMatrix is EOL and the GitHub repository ar

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 16 January 2022 at 15:42:13, Maurice McCarthy via Dng wrote: > Can you block ads on the firewall? On OpenBSD's pf firewall config > file this pretty much wipes out all ads on youtube. > > table {8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4} > table {2001:4860:4860:: 2001:4860:4860::8844} > pass in quick to r

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread Maurice McCarthy via Dng
Can you block ads on the firewall? On OpenBSD's pf firewall config file this pretty much wipes out all ads on youtube. table {8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4} table {2001:4860:4860:: 2001:4860:4860::8844} pass in quick to rdr-to 127.0.0.1 pass in quick to rdr-to ::1 Blocking Google's own DNS servers. ___

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 16 Jan 2022, at 23:38, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng > wrote: > > Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that > you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing. uMatrix is EOL and the GitHub repository archived a long time ago. You can achieve simil

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread ael via Dng
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 01:38:52PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote: > Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 11:56:51 + > ael via Dng scripsit: > > But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive > > deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make > > yout

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread terryc
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + ael via Dng wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched > > the video: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > But youtube has become imposs

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 11:56:51 + ael via Dng scripsit: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the > > video: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > But youtube has become

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-16 Thread ael via Dng
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the > video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive deviant advertisements... And google

[DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-16 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E It's Brian Kernighan discussing the formation of Unix, starting from the back story of the creation of Bell Labs, including predecessors CTSS and Multics, and C pred