Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/11/2017 à 15:39, jack da a écrit : following your lead, I seem to be systematically replacing reliance on conventional tools with low-footprint alternatives. This does not mean low tech.     Following your lead, I would like to both replace conventional tools with alternatives simpler t

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 10 Nov 08:40 -0600, jack da wrote: > I fear for your finger joints, typing "fetchmail" 100k times each year! > Perhaps a daemon/bot to help automate things. As I'm not sure who this is in reply to since it is a new thread in Mutt, I will point you to the comprehensive fetchmail manual pa

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 03:54:40PM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote: [cut] > > dev1galaxy.org has been hosted on a Dyne server since August. We debated > whether to change the url to galaxy.devaun.org but decided against it since > it was already well established and well-indexed at the current ad

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread golinux
On 2017-11-10 15:17, jack da wrote: [golinux] I registered with friendsofdevuan.org, but it does not seem friendly to outsiders. I am not sure why this and dev-galaxy.org are not under the devuan.org site/brand. There must be a good reason. Anyway, the 'galaxy forum may be a suitable place

[DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread jack da
golinux, Steve Litt, Jaromil: thanks for your comments. The talk.devuan.org paper still shows on the first page of search with duckduckgo.com [other search engines are available]. However, I have not yet written about the Busybox version. [Steve Litt] You will be pleased that I have taken on-b

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread jack da
golinux, Steve Litt, Jaromil: thanks for your comments. The talk.devuan.org paper still shows on the first page of search with duckduckgo.com [other search engines are available]. However, I have not yet written about the Busybox version. [Steve Litt] You will be pleased that I have taken on-b

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies (OT)

2017-11-10 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 05:39:42PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:17:21 -0800 > Rick Moen wrote: > > > It's a heap-based buffer overflow > > Nevder understood how buffer overflows were not catered for at compilation > time. > > Many moons ago ISTR that attempting

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies (OT)

2017-11-10 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:17:21 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > It's a heap-based buffer overflow Nevder understood how buffer overflows were not catered for at compilation time. Many moons ago ISTR that attempting something that could result in a buffer overflow would cause the compil to abend with a

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Note: there indeed was one security vulnerability, but it was discovered in > 2014, while all the "it's dead" brouchacha happened years before. https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-3618 It's a heap-based buffer overflow in /usr/bi

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 08:07:52PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > but not now... since it is under maintainance max until 00:00 CET > while we are transferring its hosting on the new infrastructure.. > Should actually be Today at 23:59 UTC (Sat. 11th Nov. 1am CET) :) -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nico

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017, Steve Litt wrote: > > https://talk.devuan.org/t/an-alternative-init-system-for-devuan/205 > > This paper is a must-read for any DIY Linux person. It's a shame it's > not better publicized. I agree. Can somoene consolidate it into a markdown, pruning the contents? then it can

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:27:07 + jack da wrote: > Thanks for your comments. I wrote "disparate" not "desparate", > although having looked it up, I should have used "diverse". > > The first paper I wrote on Alternative Init Systems for Devuan was > published in > > https://talk.devuan.org/t/a

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread golinux
On 2017-11-10 10:27, jack da wrote: Thanks for your comments. I wrote "disparate" not "desparate", although having looked it up, I should have used "diverse". The first paper I wrote on Alternative Init Systems for Devuan was published in https://talk.devuan.org/t/an-alternative-init-system-f

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 05:50:20AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2017 10 Nov 02:40 -0600, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > Nate Bargmann writes: > > >I've also used Procmail for an > > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > > > Who claims that? > > Some months back

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): > Nate Bargmann writes: > >I've also used Procmail for an > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > Who claims that? Best coverage is in LWN.net. On the one hand, there is no longer an upstream maintainer, but on

[DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread jack da
Thanks for your comments. I wrote "disparate" not "desparate", although having looked it up, I should have used "diverse". The first paper I wrote on Alternative Init Systems for Devuan was published in https://talk.devuan.org/t/an-alternative-init-system-for-devuan/205 However, that version wa

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Rowland Penny
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:17:39 -0500 Fungi4All wrote: > Sorry for CCing but if this does not get to the list and you do > respond please include it. > > > From: picama...@gmail.com > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > > > After replacing whatever init comes with the distro [salix, void, > > devuan], wit

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Fungi4All
Sorry for CCing but if this does not get to the list and you do respond please include it. > From: picama...@gmail.com > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > After replacing whatever init comes with the distro [salix, void, devuan], > with a 150 line sinit-based script [now using busybox and sdhcp]. This

[DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread jack da
I fear for your finger joints, typing "fetchmail" 100k times each year! Perhaps a daemon/bot to help automate things. Seriously though, following your lead, I seem to be systematically replacing reliance on conventional tools with low-footprint alternatives. This does not mean low tech. After rep

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 10 Nov 02:40 -0600, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > >I've also used Procmail for an > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > Who claims that? Some months back I was looking for some tips on a recipe and seem to recall comments to that eff

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Nate Bargmann writes: I've also used Procmail for an equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". Who claims that? Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
Well stated, Steve. I've been using Fetchmail for almost 19 years. Rock solid reliability, day after day, several times per hour. I've also used Procmail for an equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". Oh well, it works for me to sort my mail into Maildir "mailboxes" for

[DNG] Different philosophies

2017-11-09 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I ran across this in the Dia mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/dia-list/2017-November/msg6.html Unfortunately, everyone top posted, so time sequence goes bottom to top. But it's pretty clear what happened. One guy sees no email, questions or announcements, and pronounces