[DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-13 Thread Edward Bartolo
On 12/12/2017, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 19:29:43, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> On 12/12/2017, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: >> > Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30: >> >> >> >> Those are not "bugs" but new features. That is the reason for >> >> "wontfix". >> > >> > Run alon

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:50:56 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: > > Oh, come on. Have some sense of humour! Didn't you see the sarcasm in > > my comment? > > Email is a notoriously bad medium for conveying tone of voice. so next time use a tag. Cheers, Ron. -- The people who run the

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 19:29:43, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 12/12/2017, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > > Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30: > >> > >> Those are not "bugs" but new features. That is the reason for "wontfix". > > > > Run along, Wally. Let the grown-ups talk. > > Oh, come o

[DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Edward Bartolo
On 12/12/2017, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30: >> On 11/12/2017, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >>> On 2017-12-11 14:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: > This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several person

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:11:57 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 11/12/2017 à 11:48, KatolaZ a écrit : > > Related: > > > > > > https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/12/11/0049245/does-systemd-makes-linux-complex-error-prone-and-unstable > > > >     Interesting: one of the comments almost sugges

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 12/12/17 02:25 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: Yet, as is their habit, their response is to go ad hominem rather than address the points made. Money is a great motivator for company managers, especially at the C level. M$ pointed out ages, albeit inadvertently via leaked documents, that any company t

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/12/2017 à 11:48, KatolaZ a écrit : Related: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/12/11/0049245/does-systemd-makes-linux-complex-error-prone-and-unstable     Interesting: one of the comments almost suggests that Emacs might be used as an init system :-))     Note: Don't take me wron

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Lars Noodén
On 12/11/2017 12:48 PM, KatolaZ wrote: [snip]> Related: > > > https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/12/11/0049245/does-systemd-makes-linux-complex-error-prone-and-unstable > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15891046 > Thanks. I think another year or two and maybe the majority of general

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Lars Noodén
On 12/11/2017 09:19 PM, Steve Litt wrote: [snip]> Much more plausible explanations involve the "follow the money" > heuristic, and when you point that out, a chorus of Hanlonites call you > a conspiracy theorist, offer you a tinfoil hat, and say you're offtopic. [snip] > On the other hand, throw mo

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 02:06:11PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: > > This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons > > have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted faster than > > Debian's systemd. > > It seems that a

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Ralph Ronnquist
Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30: On 11/12/2017, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-12-11 14:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted

[DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Edward Bartolo
On 11/12/2017, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-12-11 14:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: >> * On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: >>> This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons >>> have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted faster than >>> Debian's systemd

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread golinux
On 2017-12-11 14:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted faster than Debian's systemd. It seems that as SD subsumes more and more service

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: > This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons > have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted faster than > Debian's systemd. It seems that as SD subsumes more and more services it would naturally slow down. Especia

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:11:54 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 11/12/2017 à 09:39, Lars Noodén a écrit : > > Interesting essay. > > > > /Lars > > > > "The importance of Devuan" > > > > https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importance-of-devuan/ > > > >     Please note the followi

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/12/2017 à 09:39, Lars Noodén a écrit : Interesting essay. /Lars "The importance of Devuan" https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importance-of-devuan/     Please note the following. In the abovementioned blog, Nico Schottelius wrote: Let's say every car manufacturer

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread karl
Katola2: ... > Forget the technical details: quality comes out of natural selection, > almost automatically, as it has done in the last 25 years, and natural > selection is only possible if we can span a sufficiently large portion > of the underlying solution space with different approaches, replac

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:39:34AM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > Interesting essay. > > /Lars > > "The importance of Devuan" > > https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importance-of-devuan/ > Related: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/12/11/0049245/does-systemd-makes-linux-

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Alberto Senni
Il 11/12/2017 09:39, Lars Noodén ha scritto: Interesting essay I completely agree with what is reported. I'm  a sysadmin of a small Linux Debian 7 infrastructure (about 10 servers) in Italy and I'm trying to switch from Debina 7 to Devuan. I'm cheering and in my small way I try to update wi

[DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-11 Thread Lars Noodén
Interesting essay. /Lars "The importance of Devuan" https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importance-of-devuan/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng