Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-06 Thread t.j.duchene
>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773924 Wow! Thanks, Oli. That’s very informative and much appreciated. It looks like we could simply rebuild the package without the dependency, if I am reading this correctly. T.J.___ Dng mail

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-06 Thread t.j.duchene
>I looked it up in packages.debian.org. >systemd-login0 is in both wheezy and wheezy-backports, with different >version numbers. >It is deprecated in jessie and sid, and rc-buggy in experimental. >Is there any way to track the history of a package and its adoption >into different releases?

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-06 Thread t.j.duchene
>On my wheezy pulseaudio wants: >libsystemd-daemon0 (>= 31), libsystemd-login0 (>= 31) >If i had some time i would change to jack... >Possibly it would be a boost for the jack development if we make it >standard in Devuan? Well, before we overreact- if the package has been depreciated, we

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-05 Thread t.j.duchene
Thank you, Hendrik. That is what I assumed you would find. I’m not overreacting per se. I freely admit, I’ve not looked at the code to see how well it functions independently. I also do not know for certain that it is a recent addition. I do not recall seeing it in previous Wheezy releases a

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-05 Thread t.j.duchene
>I think it is not so much a problem of the kernel, which as you > point out >can be compiled to suit and by its nature is >backwards compatible in most >things other than size, but rather >other pieces, a cascade of "what next?" >dependencies and the >horror of horrors proprietary bi

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-05 Thread t.j.duchene
Hi, Clarke! >It was a bit of a wake up call for me as it made me realize that for >more recent hardware continued use of Wheezy to avoid systemd may not be >as simple as it first seems. You can get around that. Systemd is not a kernel requirement. You can easily get around said problems b

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-05 Thread t.j.duchene
>Then I have no idea about default installation (you can probably look at >package dependencies to figure it out). But from Debian's current POV, it is >probably considered an improvement to add systemd components and more >recent versios of __ that use them, even if PID1 is still sysvinit. Af

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-05 Thread t.j.duchene
> My concern is that Debian is backporting code to the Wheezy release that > they shouldn’t be installing by default I should say “might be” as I am not sure and have not looked at the code personally. I am merely concerned. From: t.j.duch...@gmail.com Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎January‎ ‎5‎,

Re: [Dng] Wheezy

2015-01-05 Thread t.j.duchene
>IIRC, Wheezy is known to have systemd packages but they aren't (or shouldn't >be?) installed by default, probably as an early preparation for full systemd in >Jessie. Yes, I know. As I’ve said before I have no problem with systemd, except on mission critical servers. My concern is tha

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2015-01-01 Thread t.j.duchene
I just wanted to post this for consideration. I’m not looking to rehash old posts, but Devuan is at the moment finding its legs. I feel that this is a valid concern that may arise in Devuan’s future. I think it should be discussed openly. http://threatpost.com/debian-announces-end-of-secur

Re: [Dng] Purpose of all this complicated device management?

2014-12-31 Thread t.j.duchene
The reasons for a dynamic device manger were simple: a) Actually makes sure that the device really exists, and is connected rather than having a static /dev entry that is essentially worthless. b) A dynamic manager provides a consistent way for naming device nodes, rather than having administ

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-30 Thread t.j.duchene
From: frank ernest Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎December‎ ‎30‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎18‎ ‎AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org https://www.mail-archive.com/dng%40lists.dyne.org/msg00051.html >And later messages suggested to me that this was the case. >Perhaps I misunderstood. Maybe there is. I’m hardly a source of