Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-16 Thread Luke Leighton
KatolaZ freaknet.org> writes: > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +0000, Luke Leighton wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap > > of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we&#x

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-16 Thread Luke Leighton
hellekin dyne.org> writes: > The version you wrote, that I reported as Issue #8, wants to tell a > different story than what has been told so far. The project description > clearly states that: > > + *removing mandatory dependencies on systemd* is the primary goal > + in order to reach that goa

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
Dragan FOSS gmx.com> writes: > > > > i would be most grateful therefore if you could make it much more > > convenient for me to be able to do this, whilst still keeping all the > > debian, TDE and deb-multimedia repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list > > that i have today, by keeping the devuan p

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
Gravis adaptivetime.com> writes: > > > * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg > > where did it move to before? i never removed the manual keyboard and mouse configuration options that i had installed years back. however as xorg has grown more features, one of them

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio, i spotted that two mentions of libsystemd dev packages are still in the pulseaudio debian/control file. having removed those (locally) and reinstalled the resultant packages, i've just been able to successfully remove libsystemd0:amd6

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
T.J. Duchene gmail.com> writes: > > If I might add my opinion to the discussion, I will be very clear in saying > that even attempting to stay somewhat in sync with Debian is a waste of > valuable time and effort, and deserves a resounding “No” vote. haaang on... :) > the subject of systemd

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Luke Leighton
aspodata.se> writes: > > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>: > > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ > > I'll try that. awesome. if you'd like to keep in touch (through this list if that's ok with the dng team?) i can perhaps advise if you get stuck. it would be in

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Luke Leighton
hellekin dyne.org> writes: > > On 02/14/2015 10:16 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ freaknet.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > >>> is it the intent of the devuan team to: > >

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Luke Leighton
Hendrik Boom topoi.pooq.com> writes: > Wasn't the initial plan to have a Devuan repository that could be added > to the existing Debian repositories (but pinned to higher priority) > so we could focus on changing what needed changing, but not waste time > on replicating *everything*? that is

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Luke Leighton
Gravis adaptivetime.com> writes: > > > well, here's what _can_ assure that the transition will be at least > > not complete hell and requiring a total abandonment of devuan for > > debian and vice-versa (i.e. a total and complete wipe-down of a hard > > drive and a reinstall from scratch): > >

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Luke Leighton
KatolaZ freaknet.org> writes: > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:42PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > Fork is permanent only as long as the two branches do not later converge and rejoin. > > Yes, I know that, but have you ever seen anything similar happening in > the past? no - but that is,