Re: [DNG] ifupdown laptop wired/wifi trick

2021-05-25 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 25/05/2021 à 21:43, Mason Loring Bliss a écrit : > I've been managing network connections on my laptop by hand, and I was just > thinking that I'd like it to bring up its NICs automatically if it's > plugged in, but I didn't want to use ifplugd for various reasons, and > anyway, I like ifupdown

Re: [DNG] Request for assistance with install

2021-05-25 Thread terryc
On Tue, 25 May 2021 09:54:15 -0500 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:56 PM Patrick Bartek > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:46:06 -0500 > > o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:51 PM o1bigtenor > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Dimitri Minaev via Dng
My five cents — FBReader, very flexible reader with CSS support and customizable appearance. On Wed, May 26, 2021, 01:10 Antoine via Dng wrote: > On Tuesday, 25 May at 14:01, Steve Litt wrote: > >terryc said on Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000 > > > >>On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + > >>g4sra

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Antoine via Dng
On Tuesday, 25 May at 14:01, Steve Litt wrote: terryc said on Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000 On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + g4sra via Dng wrote: I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I have temporarily knobbled th

[DNG] ifupdown laptop wired/wifi trick

2021-05-25 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
I've been managing network connections on my laptop by hand, and I was just thinking that I'd like it to bring up its NICs automatically if it's plugged in, but I didn't want to use ifplugd for various reasons, and anyway, I like ifupdown and I want to stick with it. I found Debian bug #120382 and

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread Mark Hindley
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 07:03:16PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote: > Is this the rule for all packages that have dependency on SystemD for some > functionality ? My personal opinion on this is yes. Non systemd init is still possible in Debian. So it appears some current versions of cockpit will not w

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread g4sra via Dng
Thanks for chirping in Mark. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:37 PM, Mark Hindley wrote: > This is actually a Debian bug and should be fixed there. > > If cockpit requires systemd, is should declare that dependency. > > If the dependency were present, amprolla woul

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Steve Litt
terryc said on Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35:12 +1000 >On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:25:16 + >g4sra via Dng wrote: > >> I am shocked at the amount of 'user profiling' the OEM firmware >> performs which is then sent to Chinese servers. I have temporarily >> knobbled the network until I find a more permanent

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread Rowland penny via Dng
On 25/05/2021 17:09, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Dnia Tue, May 25, 2021 at 04:53:29PM +0100, Rowland penny via Dng napisał(a): After installing it on an fresh Beowulf installation, it does not run and to my knowledge will never be able to w/o systemd sockets. IIRC, the policy is not to remove anything

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:42:37AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 25 May 2021 at 05:25:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 09:32:49PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > > As for getting a standard GNU / Linux system onto eBook reader hardware, > > > I would say: > > >

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Dnia Tue, May 25, 2021 at 04:53:29PM +0100, Rowland penny via Dng napisał(a): > > After installing it on an fresh Beowulf installation, it does not run > > and to my knowledge will never be able to w/o systemd sockets. > > > > IIRC, the policy is not to remove anything related, but use stubs and >

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread Rowland penny via Dng
On 25/05/2021 05:42, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, I wanted to see if Cockpit would by some unknown magic run on Devuan. The reason I wanted to do this is because the packages are available in the default repos. After installing it on an fresh Beowulf installation, it does not run and to my k

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread Mark Hindley
This is actually a Debian bug and should be fixed there. If cockpit requires systemd, is should declare that dependency. If the dependency were present, amprolla would exclude cockpit from the Devuan archives. So I suggest you submit a bug to Debian's BTS asking for the explicit systemd dependen

Re: [DNG] Request for assistance with install

2021-05-25 Thread Tim Wallace via Dng
I've had intermittent trouble with Devuan/EFI from day 1, when I got a new MB/SSD and found out I had to use EFI for my hardware to work.  Most recent was a bad grub update (you may recall that was a topic of conversation here a few months back.  Latest (yesterday) was my MB battery dying, and

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 25-05-2021 17:22, g4sra via Dng wrote: > <--snip--> > >>> I sympathise, but am not sure this would (currently) be the best use of >>> resources. >>> There is an ever growing list of packaged applications that do not function >>> without SystemD. >>> If every one were identified, then removal o

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread g4sra via Dng
<--snip--> > > I sympathise, but am not sure this would (currently) be the best use of > > resources. > > There is an ever growing list of packaged applications that do not function > > without SystemD. > > If every one were identified, then removal of all from the repos may be > > justified. >

Re: [DNG] Request for assistance with install

2021-05-25 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:56 PM Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Mon, 24 May 2021 20:46:06 -0500 > o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > > > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:51 PM o1bigtenor > > wrote: > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Tried a migration from Debian Buster to Beowulf - - - nope. > > > Downloaded the

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:45:49AM +, g4sra via Dng wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:42 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > I wanted to see if Cockpit would by some unknown magic run on Devuan. > > The reason I wanted to do this is because t

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-25 Thread g4sra via Dng
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:42 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > Hi all, > > I wanted to see if Cockpit would by some unknown magic run on Devuan. > The reason I wanted to do this is because the packages are available in > the default repos. > > After installing it on

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Dimitri Minaev via Dng
Some years ago there was a pretty decent Linux distribution for ebook readers, called Open Inkpot. It was around 2010 and I'm almost certain that it didn't include Systemd, nor any spyware. The choice of hardware was pretty limited at that time, though. On Mon, May 24, 2021, 23:25 g4sra via Dng w

Re: [DNG] Devuan eBook Reader

2021-05-25 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 25 May 2021 at 05:25:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 09:32:49PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > As for getting a standard GNU / Linux system onto eBook reader hardware, > > I would say: > > > > a) very unlikely, given the storage capacity typically available > >