Re: [DNG] snapd in Devuan? Dependency on systemd...

2020-12-09 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 01:36:30AM +0100, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > So, then use DANE. This. DANE is the only way to have reasonably secure TLS that's actually somewhat deployed in the world (not at all for browsers, well on its way for SMTP). Instead of trusting all of thousands of CAs, you trust 1

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-09 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 01:40:39AM +0100, Adrian Zaugg wrote: > What shows > > apt remove --dry-run elogind I'll try to get a chance to do a new install, as I should figure out just what's pulling in what. I'll post this as soon as I've got it. I'm not sure what's pulling it in during debo

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-09 Thread Adrian Zaugg
On 01.12.20 15:16, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > This brings us to the other thing worthy of note. Try sometime to install > Devuan (not Debian, Devuan) without systemd and you'll be in for a rude > shock. It's installed by default, and it's a massive pain to eradicate it. What shows apt

Re: [DNG] snapd in Devuan? Dependency on systemd...

2020-12-09 Thread Adrian Zaugg
On 02.12.20 08:44, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Sorry, I feel contrarian today (and many other days too). So there: > > http://michael.orlitzky.com/articles/lets_not_encrypt.xhtml So, then use DANE. The critics on the CA design I share basically, but his comparison with tofu of SSH misses the whole

Re: [DNG] DBus mitigation (Was: The status of simple-netaid-gtk)

2020-12-09 Thread aitor
On 9/12/20 22:57, aitor wrote: [...] developed in order to simplify the bloated UBus [...] *DBus* ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] DBus mitigation (Was: The status of simple-netaid-gtk)

2020-12-09 Thread aitor
Hi, After pushing the newest code of simple-netaid-gtk to gitea.devuan.dev, I'm considering the following possible scenarios: 1) To keep the original idea of a suid binary and the use of a security model through parameters with the addition of an unix socket in order to connect the backend an

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:20:53 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > libsystemd0 is, as I've been told, a library that provides the > interfaces provided by systemd without the content. For example, > a typical systemd feature will, as implemented in libsystemd0, > merely report back in the proper manner