Hi all,
Although all "init systems" are different, a typical "init system"
functions as the first and only program called by the kernel, it spawns
both one-time and respawned processes, and it facilitates shutdown:
Typically with a shutdown shellscript. The part that remains PID1 after
the system
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:49:51 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
> > John Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
> > > > John Hughes
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:42:51 -0500
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote:
> Excuse me if I say something not suitable, since my knowledge is very
> scarce.
>
> But I understand that the new versions of openrc already bring the
> possibility of functioning as an init system independently.
>
> In tha
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:14:38 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:12:51PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > I do think that it is wise to replace SysVinit at some point or at
> > least provide an alternative. I even agree with tech-ctte decision
> > regarding re
Hi Nelson,
Nelson H. F. Beebe writes:
> I installed Devuan about 4 months ago in our test lab, which now
> houses about 180 flavors of Unix-(like) systems. The starting point
> was the devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso file.
>
> After reading DNG list traffic for several weeks, and seeing freque
Le 17/11/2017 à 23:13, Joel Roth a écrit :
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:37:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
But Linus stated explicitely in the past that applications shouldn't
access sysfs directly and sysfs wasn't to be considered stable. Rob Landley
(author of mdev) has made a lot of request
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:37:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> But Linus stated explicitely in the past that applications shouldn't
> access sysfs directly and sysfs wasn't to be considered stable. Rob Landley
> (author of mdev) has made a lot of requests about sysfs documentation to Kay
> Siev
Le 17/11/2017 à 17:37, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
John Hughes writes:
The lkml.org archive contains a broken link. How odd. There's
another message from Linus with the same subject:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/10/26/524
That one's to the point... Linus may/will not react to conspiracy
theo
On Fri, 2017-11-17 at 08:42 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> But I understand that the new versions of openrc already bring the
> possibility of functioning as an init system independently.
>
> In that case, openrc could not be used as an alternative init?
Yes, openrc is now able to be pi
John Hughes writes:
The lkml.org archive contains a broken link. How odd. There's
another message from Linus with the same subject:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/10/26/524
That one's to the point... Linus may/will not react to conspiracy theories
about possible future commits, but it there's
On 17/11/17 17:04, John Hughes wrote:
On 17/11/17 16:38, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to configure
and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is unstable on
On 2017-11-17 10:04, John Hughes wrote:
On 17/11/17 16:38, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to configure
and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is unstable
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:49:51 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
> > John Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
> > > > John Hughes wrot
On 17/11/17 16:38, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to configure
and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is unstable on
purpose to force libudev on people (s
- Original Message -
From: "KatolaZ"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
We agree on the necessity of providing (optional) alternatives to
sysvinit. But this cannot mean just "put the packages in the repos and
the
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
> John Hughes wrote:
>
> > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
> > > John Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > >> systemd, like init(1), doesn't just run on boot --
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
> On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
> > John Hughes wrote:
> >
> >> systemd, like init(1), doesn't just run on boot -- it's running
> >> continuously.
> >>
> > Excuse me apologist troll, but that i
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to
configure and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is
unstable on purpose to force libudev on people (sysfs is
developped by the same persons whic
On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
systemd, like init(1), doesn't just run on boot -- it's running
continuously.
Excuse me apologist troll, but that is the whole point, it shouldn't
have to.
It doesn't? You have many systems witho
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:14:26PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > Also don't forget that you're counting udev into the size of systemd.
>
> That was their decision (and another bad one at that)
And it has far-reaching results: in a modular design, it's easy to replace
individual components.
--
Le 17/11/2017 à 15:54, John Hughes a écrit :
On 17/11/17 15:48, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
Thus, systemd represents a code base of about 455,000 to 833,000 lines
spread over 2201 files.
The main problem that systemd tries to solve is correct ordering of
startup script execution, a job that is do
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
> On 17/11/17 15:48, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> > Thus, systemd represents a code base of about 455,000 to 833,000
> > lines spread over 2201 files.
> >
> > The main problem that systemd tries to solve is correct ordering of
> > startup scrip
I installed Devuan about 4 months ago in our test lab, which now
houses about 180 flavors of Unix-(like) systems. The starting point
was the devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso file.
After reading DNG list traffic for several weeks, and seeing frequent
mention of the ascii release, I followed recip
On 17/11/17 15:48, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
Thus, systemd represents a code base of about 455,000 to 833,000 lines
spread over 2201 files.
The main problem that systemd tries to solve is correct ordering of
startup script execution, a job that is done only at boot time.
systemd, like init(1),
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia" asks on Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:42:51
-0500:
>> But I understand that the new versions of openrc already bring the
>> possibility of functioning as an init system independently.
>>
>> In that case, openrc could not be used as an alternative init?
The TrueOS team, which pro
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Steigerwald"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
Hello Steve.
Thank you! I totally get the frustration behind emotions like the ones
showed.
The whole Systemd debate frustr
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:12:51PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
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>
> I do think that it is wise to replace SysVinit at some point or at least
> provide an alternative. I even agree with tech-ctte decision regarding
> replacing SysVinit, that is not the point. Systemd addressed a need.
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