Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 14:26:49 +0200 > Adam Borowski wrote: > > Only a few WMs can be still called "bloated": GNOME (needs a mid-end > > GPU to even run, or slooow software emulation otherwise), > > There it is folks: The preceding is why we need

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 05:50:21PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > On 08/29/2017 11:09 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I've looked at the grub.cfg file in /boot. It explicitly contains the > > name of the old root partition in the Linux line of the stanza for the new > > system. So after loading the kern

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-29 Thread Dave Turner
On 29/08/17 13:26, Adam Borowski wrote: On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 09:14:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I tried ctwm. The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the tradition of Debian packages, it doesn't work out of the box. Instead of complaining here, it'd be more productive to talk

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 09:57:11PM +, Chris Kalin wrote: > It's also a decent idea to keep the total partition size under about 80% > of the total drive size so that you get the same write performance no > matter how full the partition gets. If partition size = drive size you'll > start to see

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 14:26:49 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 09:14:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I tried ctwm. > > > > The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the tradition > > of Debian packages, it doesn't work out of the box. > > Instead of complainin

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Chris Kalin
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Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Martin Steigerwald wrote: >> Wear-levelling today is handled by the firmware transparently to the OS. >> Trimming only affect the filesystem's block-allocator algorithm, not >> wear-levelling. > > How should the drive know that a deleted block is a block is can use again > without the operatin

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Alessandro Selli - 29.08.17, 19:11: > On 29/08/2017 at 15:20, Simon Hobson wrote: > > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>> I figure that over sizing the > >>> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid > >>> assumption, however. > >>> > >> I am convinced it is. The more cells

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 29/08/2017 at 15:20, Simon Hobson wrote: > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>> I figure that over sizing the >>> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid >>> assumption, however. >> >> I am convinced it is. The more cells to pseudo-randomically spread writes >> to, the

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 29 Aug 08:21 -0500, Simon Hobson wrote: > Alessandro Selli wrote: > > >> I figure that over sizing the drive will help with wear leveling. > >> I'm not sure if that is a valid assumption, however. > > > > I am convinced it is. The more cells to pseudo-randomically spread > > writes t

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 02:23:27PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > However, when booting the unidentified Linux system, it mounts exactly > > the same partitions as the old Linux system. It appears to > > completely ignore the new /etc/fstab in the new system. > > Are y

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread ael
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 03:25:03PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >Little. AFAIK this used to be a more serious concern on the first > > > > generation of SSDs, because they suffered strongly from write-wear and > JFFS2 and the other filesystems, mentionned in this link are for raw > fla

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 28/08/2017 à 22:10, Alessandro Selli a écrit : On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 12:58:24 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: El 28/08/17 a les 11:59, Alessandro Selli ha escrit: On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 17:18:28 -0500 d_pridge wrote: Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? Little. AFAI

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: > However, when booting the unidentified Linux system, it mounts exactly > the same partitions as the old Linux system. It appears to > completely ignore the new /etc/fstab in the new system. Are you using an initrd/initramfs ? If so, did you update it ? That's one possib

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: >> I figure that over sizing the >> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid >> assumption, however. > > I am convinced it is. The more cells to pseudo-randomically spread writes > to, the lower the number of write operations that are perform

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:57:09AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:40:06AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > It's as if grub-update found the new system, but for perverse reasons > > still used the /etc/fstab in the old system instead of the one in the > > new system. A

Re: [DNG] ctwm

2017-08-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 09:14:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I tried ctwm. > > The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the tradition of > Debian packages, it doesn't work out of the box. Instead of complaining here, it'd be more productive to talk to the package's maintainer:

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:40:06AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:15:03PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > > On 08/28/2017 07:59 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > Anyway, as I mentined in another post a few minutes ago, it does seem > > > to be recognising it after all, but as a

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:15:03PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > On 08/28/2017 07:59 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Anyway, as I mentined in another post a few minutes ago, it does seem > > to be recognising it after all, but as a unknown Linux distro, > > failing tto notice it's Devun. > > This i

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 29/08/2017 at 13:14, Nate Bargmann wrote: > It has a 5 year warranty and is a few bucks cheaper than a 525 GB > Crucial MX 300 which has a 3 year warranty. Currently the lappie has a > 250 GB spinner that is working just fine. I figure that over sizing the > drive will help with wear leveling

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

2017-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 10:40:00 +0200, Edward wrote in message : > My setup of GRUP is more of a policy rather than something special. > > I keep with the conviction that the bootloader is the most important > piece of software after UEFI/EFI/BIOS. The reason is because a > bootloader is what loads

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

2017-08-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:15:03PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > On 08/28/2017 07:59 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Anyway, as I mentined in another post a few minutes ago, it does seem > > to be recognising it after all, but as a unknown Linux distro, > > failing tto notice it's Devun. > > This i

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-29 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2017 28 Aug 22:04 -0500, John Franklin wrote: > Unless it’s a refurb, get it. I have one in my MacBook Pro. > Lightning fast, silent, and sips power. Second best upgrade I ever > did, only behind a 960 EVO NVMe in a Thinkpad T460s. It would be new. > Don’t worry about it burning out. Sinc

[DNG] Lost in grub

2017-08-29 Thread Edward Bartolo
My setup of GRUP is more of a policy rather than something special. I keep with the conviction that the bootloader is the most important piece of software after UEFI/EFI/BIOS. The reason is because a bootloader is what loads an OS without which a user is at a loss. To achieve the above, I keep a