On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 02:29:31PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
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> The remaining difference between Open Source and Free Software, and IMO the
> only real difference there ever has been, is how they are promoted and who
> they are promoted to. Richard believes in an *a priori *acceptance of
dear Bruce,
first of all thanks for joining the discussion here, I feel like
saying in particular because I am a long time fan of your seminal work
for the free and open source communities (shall I write society) and
many other VUAs are and of all people I think you do deserve a proper
welcome. I
On 4/25/17 9:03 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:27:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Free Software means just that: You don't have to pay anything to use it.
There's all kinds of stuff out there where object code is free to download
and use, but source is not available. (A
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Anyway, I seem to remember Richard telling me in an email that as far as
> what you could and couldn't do with the respectively licenced code, they
> were essentially the same. If my memory is accurate, the distinction he
> strongly made was that O
You could install the ntp daemon and/or set your hardware clock with 'hwclock'.
-- Davide
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Arnt Karlsen wrote on 26/04/17 11:18:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:49:06 +1000, Ralph wrote in message
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Arnt Karlsen wrote on 24/04/17 09:13:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message
<20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:21:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> the distinction he strongly made was that Open Source didn't prioritize
> freedom, but instead prioritized convenience and value to business, and he
> felt that was a bad thing.
>
You didn't dream this, it's what he says.
The problem with th
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:49:06 +1000, Ralph wrote in message
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> Arnt Karlsen wrote on 24/04/17 09:13:
> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:54:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message
> > <20170419185407.228cd...@nb6.lan>:
> >
> >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:21:53 +1000, Ralph wrote in message
> >> :
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:27:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Free Software means just that: You don't have to pay anything to use it.
> There's all kinds of stuff out there where object code is free to download
> and use, but source is not available. (And there are degrees of Free - such
> a
> Free Software means just that: You don't have to pay anything to use it.
Bzzzt! Don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
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Hi. Just installed the latest 64-bit Devuan. Runs wonderfully. However,
the date at the top right of the screen is off. I know I set America/Los
Angeles as my region, but the panel isn't honoring this. I've tried to
figure out how to fix this, but no luck. Any help? Thanks.
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On 4/25/17 7:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:10:28 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com):
There isn't a licensing difference between Free Software, Open
Source, and DFSG-compliant.
Of course there are differences:
Free Software means just that: Y
Mirror: http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/devuan/
Just an FYI, the above mirror is missing all the readme
files. As three of the readme files contain information
about signature keys you may need to download them
from another mirror if you don't already have the keys.
Just my luck. The mirror
On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:10:28 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com):
>
> > There isn't a licensing difference between Free Software, Open
> > Source, and DFSG-compliant.
>
> FWIW, I concur, and regard all as a single effort with slightly
> different, overlapping mark
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com):
> There isn't a licensing difference between Free Software, Open Source,
> and DFSG-compliant.
FWIW, I concur, and regard all as a single effort with slightly
different, overlapping marketing programs. (As you say, Richard doesn't
see it that way; I polit
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:00:19AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> On 04/24/2017 09:04 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> > Running under qemu, the key combinations I would use to get
> > to a virtual console, such as Ctrl-Alt-2, or even
> > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace exit the qemu grab.
>
> I don't know how to drop to co
Devuan and Debian need not defer to the Open Source Initiative regarding
what is Open Source, since the OSI is just using Debian's Free Software
Guidelines. Debian's Free Software Guidelines are a definition of Free
Software, not specifically Open Source. At the time they were created, RMS
personal
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> True, except that I own the copyright on the code, not on the images.
I was unclear from your prior post which component you wrote, so I
carefully wrote my comment to be true either way.
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Hi All,
just to let you know that, by my mistake (probably due to a wrong
cut/paste), jessie-backports repos are erroneously enabled in the
minimal-live RC. This is not terrible harm, given the relatively small
number of packages you would find anyway in the minimal-live, but you
have been warned.
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:18:57AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
>
> > I wrote a free game
> > (http://topoi.pooq.com/hendrik/dv/free/fun/wander/index.html) once
> > as part of the liberated pixel cup challenge
> > (http://lpc.opengameart.org/), and I
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> I wrote a free game
> (http://topoi.pooq.com/hendrik/dv/free/fun/wander/index.html) once
> as part of the liberated pixel cup challenge
> (http://lpc.opengameart.org/), and I can't put the images
> into the executable as initialized data because
Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr):
> However, while you are right in that the CC-BY-NC (which license you
> noticed that I have used up until now; will be changing to CC-BY
> A.S.A.P.) [in that the CC-BY-NC] is (for short:) incompatible with free
> licenses (GPL and the broad f
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:47:53AM +0200, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
>
> Oh, no, not the "Open Source Initiative"! Richard Matthew Stallman
> stills very often goes out of the way to explain that Open Source is not
> really free!
Even the GDFL (Gnu free documentation license) has restrictions on
copyi
With "-serial mon:stdio" on the qemu command line, it starts it's
command shell in the start-up terminal. You next need to prod this with
"^A c" (no quotes) to get the prompt, and there you can do things like
"sendkey ctrl-alt-f1" and more. There is overwhelming documentation.
Ralph.
fsmithre
On 04/24/2017 09:04 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 08:43:35AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
If you want to try the October live iso, let me know.
>> jessie-vdev2 iso:
>> http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/
>
> Thanks for this. It is nice to have a running example
On 170424-15:59-0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr):
>
> > IOW, I asked for links where it is explained why "the withholding of
> > commercial-usage rights" "is not deemed an open source / free-software
> > licence".
Oh, no, not the "Open Source Initiati
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