On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:15:06AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> =
> > From: Adam Borowski
> >
> > For anything that can break your system, and for running unstable, btrfs
> is
> > awesome. You can make snapshots at any point (most people have at least a
> > daily cronjob), and th
> From: Ralph Ronnquist
>
> If it's any help, I've uploaded a bash script as
> www.realthing.com.au/files/vdev/install-gnuinos.vdev.sh which steps
> through all the steps for installing the gnuinos vdev bundle for a
> pristine Devuan 1.0.0 installation. It documents what I did some few
> days ago,
Robert Storey wrote on 14/08/16 12:15:
Hi All,
OK, I use Devuan as my main get-work-done distro, so I don't want to risk
accidentally nuking it. Therefore, I just installed another copy of Devuan
into a different partition. This is my experimental Devuan - I'm all ready
to play with vdev now. Be
Hi All,
OK, I use Devuan as my main get-work-done distro, so I don't want to risk
accidentally nuking it. Therefore, I just installed another copy of Devuan
into a different partition. This is my experimental Devuan - I'm all ready
to play with vdev now. Before I pull the trigger, I need to clarif
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 02:26:13PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > For anything that can break your system, and for running unstable, btrfs is
> > awesome. You can make snapshots at any point (most people have at least a
> > daily cronjob), and then restore or mount live when you want. And when yo
Hi Richard,
On 08/14/2016 12:15 AM, richard lucassen wrote:
Of course, but for this particular purpose there is no need to make
multiple partitions. Just use 1 partition for everything.
I talked about this subject in the mailing list. I allways remove the
//etc/fstab/ file from the chroot j
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:16:37 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> > And apart from that, that a good point of systemd, if ever there are
> > network problems or whatsoever, the boot time may increase by
> > minutes as ntpd cannot start.
>
> This is an extremely illogical objection from someone urging runnin
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:30:20PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
> On 08/13/2016 09:23 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
>
> >i like to create partitions ( / , /home , swap ...), and doing it in a VM
> >requires to reserve an static space of memory
>
> Is it possible in Qemu? I don't want to use Virtualbox.
Obviou
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 12:12:04PM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> >Slackware uses eudev - not udev - as of version 14.2. So does Gentoo.
>
>
> To my mind would be a better option to opt for eudev that vdev as it has
> greater support behind.
eudev is a fork of a mature project. It works
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Cool, so running ntp twice, once for the big jump, then for long-term
> stabilization, is not needed.
Yr. welcome!
> So it's better than ntpdate: on discrepanties on the order of a few
> seconds, ntpdate used slew instead of step to "gently" change
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 04:49:05PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> I don't know about that. Do you mean you've never even considered
> putting Halloween Code in one of your projects to error out in the
> presence of Systemd? I have.
You mean, intentional sabotage?!? PLEASE DON'T!
--
An imaginary fri
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:37:36AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Please don't run ntpdate.
>
> ntpdate is deprecated upstream (ISC) and will soon get dropped entirely.
> It would be an excellent idea to get used to this.
Thanks for the info. I didn't notice as I've been using rdate -n (because
it wa
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 13:16:37 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting richard lucassen (mailingli...@lucassen.org):
>
> > And apart from that, that a good point of systemd, if ever there are
> > network problems or whatsoever, the boot time may increase by
> > minutes as ntpd cannot start.
>
> This
Quoting richard lucassen (mailingli...@lucassen.org):
> I know, but for the moment it works and it might (temporarely) resolve
> his time problem. It's quite simple, simpler than running ntpd.
1. Doing '/usr/sbin/ntpd -g -q' is _exactly_ as simple.
2. An important point: executing '/usr/sbin/
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 21:30:20 +0200
aitor_czr wrote:
> > i like to create partitions ( / , /home , swap ...), and doing it
> > in a VM requires to reserve an static space of memory
>
> Is it possible in Qemu? I don't want to use Virtualbox.
Of course, but for this particular purpose there is no
Hi all,
On 08/13/2016 01:55 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
I like to test the different options of d-i, doing partitions, testing
the versions of the udeb packages, etc... For example, as i explained
in another thread, there is a bug in the official package of
live-installer:
https://lists.dyne.org/l
On 08/13/2016 09:23 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
i like to create partitions ( / , /home , swap ...), and doing it in a
VM requires to reserve an static space of memory
Is it possible in Qemu? I don't want to use Virtualbox.
Thanks in advance,
Aitor.
_
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 21:53:18 +0300
Lars Noodén wrote:
> For OpenNTPd you might look at the -s option for making a big jump in
> time at startup.
>
> (The thread is long and I can't tell if -s was already mentioned in
> regards to OpenNTPd)
I just installed it and it looks good. Thnx :)
--
ric
Hi adam,
On 08/13/2016 07:37 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 01:55:06PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
>On 08/13/2016 01:45 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> >Do you really need to do that? Why not restore from a backup? I use
> >fsarchiver to backup entire installations.
>
>I like to t
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Litt"
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:12:04 -0400
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote:
To my mind would be a better option to opt for eudev that vdev as it
has greater sup
On 08/13/2016 09:41 PM, richard lucassen wrote:
...
> BTW, I'm running ntpd. And I'll have a look into OpenNTP, as stated
> elswhere in this thread. Simple and secure and I don't need usec
> precision.
For OpenNTPd you might look at the -s option for making a big jump in
time at startup.
(The thr
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:37:36 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> The default window is not hours but rather 1000 seconds. _But_ there
> is an override, the '-g' switch to ntpd. Thus: 'ntpd -q -g'
> Quoting the manpage:
>
>-g Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log
> if the offs
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:37:36 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Please don't run ntpdate.
>
> ntpdate is deprecated upstream (ISC) and will soon get dropped
> entirely. It would be an excellent idea to get used to this. Quoting
> the manpage:
I know, but for the moment it works and it might (temporarely
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:12:04 -0400
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote:
> To my mind would be a better option to opt for eudev that vdev as it
> has greater support behind.
>
> I see half vdev orphan and do not think that support eudev go to
> decant by systemd.
And when Red Hat buys maintainership
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Please don't do this, for reasons already mentioned.
>
> If your hwclock is so broken ntp refuses to adjust the clock, you may run
> ntpdate (or rdate -n) at boot, but then you should start ntpd (or chrony)
> normally.
Please don't run ntpdate.
n
- Original Message -
From: "Henry Jensen"
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:51:22AM -0500, dev wrote:
On 08/10/2016 04:26 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Hello. Thanks to a friendly help, I've found a f
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 01:55:06PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
> On 08/13/2016 01:45 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> >Do you really need to do that? Why not restore from a backup? I use
> >fsarchiver to backup entire installations.
>
> I like to test the different options of d-i, doing partitions, testing
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:13:57AM +0200, richard lucassen wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 00:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
> Peter Olson wrote:
> > > On August 13, 2016 at 4:45 AM aitor_czr
> > > wrote:
> >
> > As you know, today is August 12, not August 13.
> >
> > PLEASE FIX YOUR COMPUTER CLOCK
>
> Ai
On 08/13/2016 08:49 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> But grub is such a rat's nest that I worry about getting an
> experimental vdev too early in the boot process to be able to avoid it
> with grub's boot menu.
>
> Is this a real concern?
>
> -- hendrik
That should not be an issue. The grub menu c
On 08/13/2016 04:40 AM, Robert Storey wrote:
>> I have to do some work now, I look forward to the packages. Maybe you
>> can add a small README.txt for those who are willing to test vdev.
>
> Yes please. A small README.TXT explaining what we have to do to set up and
> install vdev will work wonder
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:40:37AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> > I have to do some work now, I look forward to the packages. Maybe you
> > can add a small README.txt for those who are willing to test vdev.
>
> Yes please. A small README.TXT explaining what we have to do to set up and
> install v
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:51:22AM -0500, dev wrote:
>
> On 08/10/2016 04:26 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > Hello. Thanks to a friendly help, I've found a few mails and
> > articles which deserve to be read:
> >
> > Udev on non-systemd is a dead-end:
>
> So.. then.. basically any Linux dist
Hi Edward,
On 08/13/2016 01:45 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Do you really need to do that? Why not restore from a backup? I use
fsarchiver to backup entire installations.
Edward
I like to test the different options of d-i, doing partitions, testing
the versions of the udeb packages, etc... For
Aitor wrote:
<<
The problem is that i'm continuously formating my hard disks for d-i
testing purposes [*]
>>
Do you really need to do that? Why not restore from a backup? I use
fsarchiver to backup entire installations.
Edward
--
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enou
On 08/13/2016 11:39 AM, richard lucassen wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 00:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
Peter Olson wrote:
> >On August 13, 2016 at 4:45 AM aitor_czr
> >wrote:
>
>As you know, today is August 12, not August 13.
>
>PLEASE FIX YOUR COMPUTER CLOCK
Aitor,
Just run this as a cronjob, ntp
On 12/08/2016 19:47, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi Steve
[big snip]
Thanks for your valued thought but I consider the incident "water under
the bridge". All what I wanted is to warn PID 1 'runit' users that the
upgrading is a botched affair. As I said, I was able to recover the
system but belive me, its no
Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org):
> Sorry, fixed it:
>
> root@gnuinos:/home/aitor# date --set "2016-08-13 09:05"
> Sat Aug 13 09:05:00 CEST 2016
> root@gnuinos:/home/aitor# hwclock --set --date="2016-08-13 09:05"
That's good, and I'm sure everyone will appreciate it -- but have you
cons
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 00:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
Peter Olson wrote:
> > On August 13, 2016 at 4:45 AM aitor_czr
> > wrote:
>
> As you know, today is August 12, not August 13.
>
> PLEASE FIX YOUR COMPUTER CLOCK
Aitor,
Just run this as a cronjob, ntpd might be too picky about hwclock
settings:
As
Hi Peter,
On 08/13/2016 06:22 AM, Peter Olson wrote:
On August 13, 2016 at 4:45 AM aitor_czr wrote:
As you know, today is August 12, not August 13.
PLEASE FIX YOUR COMPUTER CLOCK
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