On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
>
> From /usr/share/doc/slim/README :
>
> Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file):
> - console: start console login
> - exit: exit SLiM
> - halt: halt the system
> - reboot: reboot the system
>
>
On 07/15/2016 02:23 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi,
The International Obfuscated C Code Contest, IOCCC was started by the
"masters" and "pioneers" in C. This is a "competition" for those who
take pride in compressing code to the point of making it practically
unreadable.
The following is a progr
On 07/14/2016 05:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
I personally don't see the reason for such a reaction on your side
Rick (BTW, welcome here :)), but I am sure I am missing something. I
personally believe that all the work to avoid and contain systemd and
other no
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)
> Robert Storey
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC)
>> From: Go Linux
>>
>>>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README :
>>
>>Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file):
>>- console: start console login
>>- exit: exit SLiM
Hi,
The International Obfuscated C Code Contest, IOCCC was started by the
"masters" and "pioneers" in C. This is a "competition" for those who
take pride in compressing code to the point of making it practically
unreadable.
The following is a program submitted to IOCCC:
http://www.ioccc.org/2015
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC)
> From: Go Linux
>
>>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README :
>
>Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file):
>- console: start console login
>- exit: exit SLiM
>- halt: halt the system
>- reboot: reboot the system
Hi gol
Hi,
<<
About choice of language. I read there are 191 undefined
behaviors in the C99 standard, which means an equal number
of tarpits waiting for the cognitively difficient coder.
>>
ROFLMAO!
I pity your vane attempts to mislead me and destabilise me
psychologically. "Cognitively dificient"?! Yo
On Thu, 7/14/16, Robert Storey wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 10:33 PM
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
>> Golinux told me that to change the window manager, when on the login
>> scree
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Golinux told me that to change the window manager, when on the login
> screen, you repeatedly press F1 to cycle through the installed window
> managers. I confirm this, and will document it.
>
> However, I think somebody from Devuan should ad
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 04:34:55PM -0400, Brian Nash wrote:
> The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian
> distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to
> /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging systemd.
Ie, the same way most folks install
There is no more need to install Raspbian first.
all Devuan ARM images are now directly installable just like raspian
is. not just the Rpi2/3 image, but all others, will work the same: dd
on a SD card and boot.
and yes, in case you are asking yourself, not even Debian does provide
that ATM. We a
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:34:55 -0400
Brian Nash wrote:
> The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian
> distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to
> /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging
> systemd.
Assuming that this works for the Rasp
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
> You didn't read what I wrote did you ?
I most certainly did. And I make no apologies for mildly mocking you
for speaking about a 'trojan', as that was patently ridiculous, and you
know it.
> It may be "inert" now - well actually it isn't complete
Rick Moen wrote:
> An unused, inert library is a trojan?
You didn't read what I wrote did you ?
It may be "inert" now - well actually it isn't completely inert if it's being
called by packages with gratuitous dependencies on it* - but as I said, there
is zero guarantee that it won't remain "in
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
> libsystemd0] is "part" of systemd, and I assume systemd won't work without it.
Question: What does it do _without_ systemd?
I think you know the answer. Nothing at all. Rein du tout. But, as I
said on my Web page, if worried about that, just m
Is that file a full SD card image?
Do you need a whole image?
If not, then this might work:
The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian
distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to
/etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging systemd.
My met
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> And again, this is more or less what Devuan is doing :) We are still
> using 99.5% of the packages directly from Debian. All the packages
> developed for Devuan work with little or no effort at all in other
> Debian-based environments. We are probably just
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, shraptor wrote:
> I am about to buy a Raspberry Pi and want to go with the latest version
> model 3.
>
> When I check https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/
> I only find devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz
>
> Will there be a version for Raspberry Pi 3 or sho
I am about to buy a Raspberry Pi and want to go with the latest version
model 3.
When I check https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/
I only find devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz
Will there be a version for Raspberry Pi 3 or should I buy the Raspberry
Pi 2 version?
/scooby
_
I have read about half of this thread and decided I would make my
comments at the most recent response, so Jaromil wins (loses?!).
Most of what I have read is arguments between uber-geeks.
They can pin debian packages and make it do what they want but their
needs seems to be... limited.
The tip
Quoting Rick Moen (r...@linuxmafia.com):
> I know. The 'h' was a typo -- and I spotted it with considerable chagrin
> just after posting. (I was far too tired.)
But the 'litte' was a genuine blunder from someone who is learning norsk
as a third language. Fixed. Takk for hjelp.
_
Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org):
> Rick Moen [2016-07-14 11:24]:
>
> > [1] 'litte-datamashin' is my laptop (hostname means 'little computer' in
> > Norwegian).
>
> Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that would be 'liten datamaskin'.
I know. The 'h' was a typo -- and I spotted it with conside
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:50:25 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 9:07 AM
>
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:33:26 +1200
> Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > File a bug
Hello,
I'm tired of the packages that depend on systemd without really needing it.
I was trying to compile some packages without that dependency, with little
success.
Are there any written instructions how to do?
It's worth doing it separately from what they are doing in the distribution?
rega
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > Percentage of Debian 8 packages you can use of you don't want systemd
> > around (again, unless I've missed any) is thus:
> >
> > (43671 - 97) / 43671 * 100 = 99.77%
>
>
> That's probably the reason why amprolla works so well.
well the packa
hi Aitor
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, aitor_czr wrote:
>Now, i suspect the cause... And i added *aufs* and *squashfs*
>support to the kernel.
if they weren't in already, I'm pretty sure that was the problem.
>My patience with linux-libre-4.6.2 still hasn't run out :)
please keep it up, m
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:24:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> What I did (that was documented on the OpenRC conversion page) sufficed
> to prove that common claims about deep and pervasive systemd-dependency
> problems in Debian 8 have been vastly exaggerated (I list in detail the
> ones that act
On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 9:07 AM
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:33:26 +1200
Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 14/07/16 17:27, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
> > Steve Litt
Hi all,
El 14/07/16 a las 21:24 de la Noche Plutoniana, Steve Litt escribió:
However, I think somebody from Devuan should add to the login window's
> graphic (the stylized lightgreen and darkergreen Login graphic) the
> string "Press F1 to switch window managers." Today's computers
should > be
- Original Message -
From: "KatolaZ"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14:18AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-con
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:15:50 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
> We need a reliable APT based core distribution to build upon, which is
> not out for grabs for the next tribe of pubescent rockstar-coders
> wanting to prove themselves worthed of changing history.
ROFLMAO!
The next time someone calls me "nec
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:44:35 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 12:27 AM
>
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:41:36PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:
>
> Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between
>
> Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd packages
> in /etc/apt/preferences
>
> and
> ...
> banpkgs: systemd,systemd-sysv
> ...
> part of amprolla.conf ?
Not much difference in it
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>
> I have no time now to recall all the analysis :^( plus for other
> reasons I'm typing approx 2000 words per day and its becoming sort of
> taxing on my hands.
Congratulations!
If you'd call all that a novel and do it during November yo
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:33:26 +1200
Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 14/07/16 17:27, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want.
> >> Trouble is, there's no obvious way to ch
On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 12:27 AM
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want.
> Trouble is, there
Rick Moen wrote:
> For completeness, I'll mention that, if a Debian 8 'Jessie' or Debian 9
> 'Stretch' system does end up suffering packager-caused intrusion of
> systemd into important packages (for some value of 'important' ;-> ),
> then I can confidently predict that alternative packages in th
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:10:59 +0200, Harald wrote in message
:
> Rick Moen [2016-07-14 11:24]:
>
> > [1] 'litte-datamashin' is my laptop (hostname means 'little
..he _could_ be referring to our trouble shooter friend Steve... ;o)
> > computer' in Norwegian).
>
> Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that w
Rick Moen [2016-07-14 11:24]:
> [1] 'litte-datamashin' is my laptop (hostname means 'little computer' in
> Norwegian).
Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that would be 'liten datamaskin'.
--
Hilsen Harald (Oslo, Norway)
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:24:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
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>
> There are numerous ways to enforce a local (or limited-interest) policy
> on a distribution's offerings. That is one of them. I list in my
> OpenRC conversion page a number of ways to overcome dependency problems:
> find a
Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org):
> dear Rick I did not expect you to use 'shutdown -h now'!
> the real old school thing is 'init 0' (or 'init 6' for reboot) :^)
Techically, I believe that's supposed to be 'telinit'. ;->
[init system coupling General Resolution:]
> I believe this is the bes
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Look Rick, Devuan is exactly trying to do this, in a consistent and
> comprehensive way, well before it will be too late.
Exactly! I'm not only well aware of this, but mention it with approval
on my OpenRC conversion Web page.
> I think I know very well
Jaromil wrote:
> So if you visit daily this page https://distrowatch.com/devuan and
> even set it as homepage on your computers, then this will definitely
> help us putting the word out about Devuan. We can always use more
> visibility and DW is an excellent avenue for that.
Done - set as my hom
dear Rick I did not expect you to use 'shutdown -h now'!
the real old school thing is 'init 0' (or 'init 6' for reboot) :^)
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Rick Moen wrote:
> > In fact, the outcome of Ian Jackson's GR enforces their right to
> > such sabotage.
>
> That is not an accurate representation of
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Wait Rick, I don't think anybody wants to engineer a confrontation
> between you and Devuan, indeed :)
I'm glad of that.
I was speaking of Steve cross-posting here my view that less arduous
means exist of running a no-systemd Debian variant community. Y
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