Re: [DNG] Evince

2016-05-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 07:45:40AM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Being on my way to adapt my (jwm/fluxbox) setup to what i had before on > slackware, i stumbled into this: Devuan comes with evince by default. > Now, i installed epdfviewer which says in its description: > > "Lightweight pdf v

[DNG] Evince

2016-05-22 Thread emninger
Hi. I do not know if it is intended to do such trivial suggestions but ... ;) Being on my way to adapt my (jwm/fluxbox) setup to what i had before on slackware, i stumbled into this: Devuan comes with evince by default. Now, i installed epdfviewer which says in its description: "Lightweight pdf

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Sadegh Sadegh
Hi, I am very sory, I can't. 22.05.2016, 22:28, "Paweł Cholewiński" : > Hi, could You send screenshot? > > W dniu 22.05.2016 o 21:46, Sadegh Sadegh pisze: >>  Hi >>  I can't use terminal at my Devuan 1.0 beta lxde 64. I see this " Your name >> -sad- is not on system. >>  Streng. Please help me. >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread fsmithred
On 05/22/2016 06:33 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi fsr, > > El 22/05/16 a las 23:41, fsmithred escribió: >> On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >>> > >>> >I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added >>> >deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 06:32:14PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: [cut] > > n/m, I found KatolaZ's post where he lists the password. They are exactly > what I thought they were, but they don't work for me when I set the > keyboard at boot. > > I'm installing it now. That seems to be working correctly.

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 06:40:23PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 21 May 2016 23:22:35 +0200 > wrote: > > > I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to > > have root and (a) user. > > > > Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. > > Frankly,

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread aitor_czr
Hi fsr, El 22/05/16 a las 23:41, fsmithred escribió: On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > >I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added >deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta >tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devua

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread fsmithred
On 05/22/2016 05:41 PM, fsmithred wrote: > On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote: >> >> I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added >> deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta >> tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-insta

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Sadegh Sadegh
Hi I can't use terminal at my Devuan 1.0 beta lxde 64. I see this " Your name -sad- is not on system. Streng. Please help me. 22.05.2016, 14:48, "KatolaZ" : > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 07:22:44AM -0300, Fernando M. Maresca wrote: >>  On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:08:47AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >> >>  

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread fsmithred
On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added > deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta > tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer > together with the backend of simple-net

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Peter Olson
> On May 22, 2016 at 4:49 PM "R. W. Rodolico" wrote: > > The big thing for me about Ubuntu, etc... is not the fact they use sudo > a lot, it is that by default they do not allow root login at all. If the > /home partition has problems, you must login as a user, then sudo to > root, then attempt t

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread aitor_czr
El 22/05/16 a las 22:17, aitor_czr escribió: Hi all, El 21/05/16 a las 14:00, Didier Kryn escribió: Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit : >On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >[cut] > >>>version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the >>>li

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread R. W. Rodolico
The big thing for me about Ubuntu, etc... is not the fact they use sudo a lot, it is that by default they do not allow root login at all. If the /home partition has problems, you must login as a user, then sudo to root, then attempt to dismount /home and work on it, which will not work since /home

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread marc
> I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to > have root and (a) user. > > Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. > Frankly, is there any relevant difference between 'sudo + command' or > 'su -c + command'? Hello The first thing to do when lo

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
Hi, could You send screenshot? W dniu 22.05.2016 o 21:46, Sadegh Sadegh pisze: > Hi > I can't use terminal at my Devuan 1.0 beta lxde 64. I see this " Your name > -sad- is not on system. > Streng. Please help me. > > 22.05.2016, 14:48, "KatolaZ" : >> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 07:22:44AM -0300, Fe

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

2016-05-22 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, El 21/05/16 a las 14:00, Didier Kryn escribió: Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit : >On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >[cut] > >>>version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the >>>live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an exist

[DNG] address change notification

2016-05-22 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Virgin Media chose to sell its ADSL customers to the highest bidder last year (which happened to be TalkTalk) and as consequence of this, the @virginmedia.com address I used to suscribe to the list will be going away at the end of this month. Because of this, I've changed to subscription address to

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread fsmithred
On 05/22/2016 02:01 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > > Ok, it was synaptic which told me lxde and task-lxde-desktop would be > uninstalled (?) > > Now, using apt-get i see, it's not xpdf but gpicview missing which > makes apt lament. Although i do not like it, i'll install it (i prefer > viewnior

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Irrwahn
On Sun, 22 May 2016 20:01:29 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Sun, 22 May 2016 16:39:26 + > schrieb Florian Zieboll : > >> No spiderwebs or other dust here... (Jessie): >> >> | root@nulldevice:~# apt-get install xpdf lxde task-lxde-desktop [...] > Ok, it was synaptic which told me lxde and task-lx

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 22 May 2016 16:39:26 + schrieb Florian Zieboll : > No spiderwebs or other dust here... (Jessie): > > | root@nulldevice:~# apt-get install xpdf lxde task-lxde-desktop > | Reading package lists... Done > | Building dependency tree > | Reading state information... Done > | lxde is alread

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Irrwahn
On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:42:47 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200 > wrote: > >> Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) >> needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? >> >> (...) >> >> dependency spiderweb > > No spiderwebs or other

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Irrwahn
On Sun, 22 May 2016 18:41:32 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 22/05/2016 18:13, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> I am certain almost nobody would object to that proposal. >> But it would need a notable number of people to step up >> and act as package maintainers to accomplish the task, >> namely to cut do

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/05/2016 18:13, Irrwahn a écrit : On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200, Emninger wrote: Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? Does it? I was unable to locate any dependencies in lxde or xpdf that might form such a

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, Sudo is used to run a command as root (Super User DO) without typing the root password. Sudo can also be used to run a command as another user. It can also be used to lower privileges on a command. For instance, suppose you have logged in as root in a terminal without X running and you want to

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Irrwahn
On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) > needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? Does it? I was unable to locate any dependencies in lxde or xpdf that might form such a mutual exclusion. What was the actu

Re: [DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sun, 22 May 2016 17:12:35 +0200 wrote: > Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) > needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? > > (...) > > dependency spiderweb No spiderwebs or other dust here... (Jessie): | root@nulldevice:~# apt-get install xpdf lxde tas

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 22 May 2016 10:34:57 +0300 Lars Noodén wrote: > As far as default settings go, instead of defaulting to > > %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL Yeah, that's the first thing I comment out. And the first thing I add are nopasswd commands so slitt can mount and unmount. Probably, in my case, I sho

[DNG] xpdf needs to uninstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks !?!

2016-05-22 Thread emninger
Anyone here knows, why the hell the installation of xpdf (in devuan) needs to deinstall lxde and lxde-desktop-tasks? I do not understand the reason why (in slackware for example there did not exist this problem). May be that's an inherited dependency problem (?) Me, as a simple user, i would lik

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83

2016-05-22 Thread fsmithred
On 05/15/2016 09:47 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sun, 15 May 2016 19:43:02 +0200 > Irrwahn wrote: > >> On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:20:47 -0400, Fsmithred wrote: >>> I have the following file (or equivalent) any time I have more than >>> one release enabled in sources.list: >>> >>> cat /etc/apt/ap

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/05/2016 12:22, Fernando M. Maresca a écrit : On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:08:47AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: My solution has always been to keep users and root *separate*, avoiding sudo altogether, and to ask myself to wear an appropriate "magic-shiny-hat-with-green-glitters-and-silver-triangl

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 07:22:44AM -0300, Fernando M. Maresca wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:08:47AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > My solution has always been to keep users and root *separate*, > > avoiding sudo altogether, and to ask myself to wear an appropriate > > "magic-shiny-hat-

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Fernando M. Maresca
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:08:47AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > My solution has always been to keep users and root *separate*, > avoiding sudo altogether, and to ask myself to wear an appropriate > "magic-shiny-hat-with-green-glitters-and-silver-triangle-on-top" (that > I keep on my desk) whenever a

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:49:24AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > Hi emniger. > . > su allows you to execute any command, and asks root password > > sudo allows the admin to configure with fine grain what users > and/or lists of users are allowed to execute with or without typi

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/05/2016 23:22, emnin...@riseup.net a écrit : I followed the standard settings of the installer which leads me to have root and (a) user. Now, i know there are different philosophies about the use of sudo. Frankly, is there any relevant difference between 'sudo + command' or 'su -c + comman

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

2016-05-22 Thread Lars Noodén
On 05/22/2016 12:38 AM, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > Read this > http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35338/su-vs-sudo-s-vs-sudo-i-vs-sudo-bash > > > Paweł That's a good comparison with sound analysis but looks like it tries to use sudo just as if it were su. They are very different tools with