Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 7/24/2015 8:38 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Hi T.J. and others, I've been following this thread with some interest. T.J., it seems most of your objections to OOP are not strictly against the principles and advantages of OOP in abstract, but against the way OOP is implemented in C and C++. With

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of anyone except corporate. Everyone else was using FVWM, Andrew, or OpenL

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

T.J. Duchene wrote: > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >What are your preventions against OOP for graphics? Is it against OOP > >in general? > Mostly against OOP in general. It wasn't a bad idea to start with, but OOP > started out with good intentions and blossomed more into a movement. The > questi

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/c

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ "CD

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 2015-07-24 20:55, James Powell wrote: I got it built on Slackware once but it wasn't too stable from when I last had tried it years ago with Solaris. - From: Marlon Nunes Sent: ‎7/‎24/‎2015 4:51 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 24/07/2015 23:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some differenc

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 7/24/2015 3:57 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: First, thank you for the reply, Roger. I supremely appreciate it. I'm referring to the *GTK* "C API" here. Not C in general. If I create a GObject-based "class", either as a subclass of a GTK class or as an independent class subclassed from the ro

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 24/07/2015 23:24, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/24/2015 5:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Hey T.J., you seem to contradict yourself when saying "C and C++ are strongly typed" and "Type checking is never C's job." :-) Actually, yes, C and C++ are typed, but weakly. They silently do type conve

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

I got it built on Slackware once but it wasn't too stable from when I last had tried it years ago with Solaris. From: Marlon Nunes Sent: ‎7/‎24/‎2015 4:51 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] A better

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 2015-07-24 20:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some differen

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some differences. However, last I had heard CDE was s

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

On 2015-07-24 20:30, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ "CDE wa

[DNG] A better default windows manager

Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ "CDE was designed with end users, software devel

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 7/24/2015 5:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Hey T.J., you seem to contradict yourself when saying "C and C++ are strongly typed" and "Type checking is never C's job." :-) Actually, yes, C and C++ are typed, but weakly. They silently do type conversion in pretty much every instruction.

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > I can see that, now, Jaromil, you basically seem to be inclined to > allow in Devuan pretty much just what I tried to get available in it > (not just for me, but for others who will want to go that way). yes Miroslav - and vdev is one of

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:11:57AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > > On 24 July 2015 05:26:00 CEST, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> > >> > I do not understand this entire thread. > > >> yep. this is so

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:03:08PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Hey T.J., you seem to contradict yourself when saying "C and C++ > are strongly typed" and "Type checking is never C's job." :-) > > Actually, yes, C and C++ are typed, but weakly. They silently do > type conversion in prett

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:30:04PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is > > > documented on a random

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

Le 24/07/2015 07:14, T.J. Duchene a écrit : C and C++ are both strongly typed, so I am assuming that he must be referring to GTK using a pointer in C presumably to dynamically handle function names and data for polymorphism. He can't help it if GTK is sloppy, but I can't make sense of his grie

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

Hi, T.J. Duchene wrote on 23/07/2015 at 21:35 CEST: [...] UNIX was designed from the beginning to be a multi-user system. That was entire reason in creating it, actually. The concept of "multi-seat" as a feature is being able to login and allow multiple users to use the same hardware independen

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 24/07/2015 05:14, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/23/2015 10:41 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: Now then, as for Roger's comments, I find them confusing. [snip] The C API is overly complex and fragile. You don't want to base your project on a sandcastle. And the expertise required to use it is very

Re: [DNG] The figure of commits behind the upstream on github

On 24/07/15 05:19, Jude Nelson wrote: Hi Anto, [snip] does anybody have any suggestion how to easily find out that our fork repositories need updating without keep checking the upstream repositories? You're going to have to pull changes upstream periodically. That's just the wa

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 24/07/2015 06:37, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 24/07/2015 04:52, Jude Nelson a écrit : I don't care for it myself - because it is C++. Minor correction: GTK is written in C, and relies on GLib, which is also written C. However, it's open to debate as to how similar/different C-plus-GLib is t

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On 24 July 2015 05:26:00 CEST, Isaac Dunham wrote: >On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> >> > I do not understand this entire thread. >> yep. this is sort of going bonkers. [... Isaac's detailed explanation ...] >Does that cl