Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 09:24:52AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi All, > > Steve Litt said... > > > Like I said, fvwm is excellent. LXDE and Openbox are two others to look > > at, and as far as I know they have few if any systemd dependencies, > > direct or otherwise. > > I too am a fan of fvw

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Richard
@Robert, Take a look at how antiX-15 does with. IceWM. With Double Commander v0.7 it is fast and light weight. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Robert Storey
Hi All, Steve Litt said... > Like I said, fvwm is excellent. LXDE and Openbox are two others to look > at, and as far as I know they have few if any systemd dependencies, > direct or otherwise. I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doe

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 07/02/2015 07:17 AM, Jaromil wrote: dear Klaus, On Thu, 02 Jul 2015, Klaus Ethgen wrote: So I am interested in the strategy, devuan will go here. 1st of all, here you can see some preliminary work I've done months ago to save certain packages, sanitize Debian configurations and recuperate

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 01:21:15PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:47:55AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull > > state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, has > > always cracking sou

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:47:55AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull > state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, has > always cracking sound and kernel panics. It lags the ability to play > multiple streams an

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Joel Roth
Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > First, please answer on the list only and not via group reply. There is > no need to add my own address to the recipients. > > Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 12:37 schrieb Daniel Reurich: > > >What will be the alternatives? AL

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:17:06 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 02 Jul 05:49 -0500, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > > What will be the alternatives? > > I have the same question. While I'm not cheerleader for PA, it works > for me on the desktop. However, due to ridding myself of most traces > of

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:08:26 + Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello Mitt, > > Thanks for this picture. So much xfce4 dependences... probably I > should switch from xfce4 to any other VM/DE (fvwm, probably). Fvwm's good. Resource light, very configurable. That being said, you must be *very* know

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-02 11:08, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello Mitt, > > Thanks for this picture. So much xfce4 dependences... probably I should > switch from xfce4 to any other VM/DE (fvwm, probably). > > But in my laptop's Devuan (updated from testing), I see only > libsystemd0, and when I try to remove

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 First, please answer on the list only and not via group reply. There is no need to add my own address to the recipients. Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 12:37 schrieb Daniel Reurich: > >What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-02 08:55, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello All, > > My 2 cents about libsystemd0 dependencies. > > I installed fresh Devuan alpha from CD image, and trying to remove > libsystemd0, apt-get wants to remove rsyslog (but not udev, udev as a > package doesn't depend libsystemd0). Hello, N

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-02 Thread Marlon Nunes
Not really, donĀ“t forget what Linus said about dbus/kdbus: "We don't merge kernel code just because user space was written by a retarded monkey on crack. Kernel code has higher standards..." http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html On 2015-07-02 02:31, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed,

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 02/07/15 22:47, Klaus Ethgen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 8:55 schrieb Jaromil: We see Devuan as a system for professionals, not consumers, and that also includes audio/video professionals. Pulseaudio will likely be eliminated from a

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Jaromil
dear Klaus, On Thu, 02 Jul 2015, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > So I am interested in the strategy, devuan will go here. 1st of all, here you can see some preliminary work I've done months ago to save certain packages, sanitize Debian configurations and recuperate the FFMpeg binary https://git.devuan.or

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 02 Jul 05:49 -0500, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > What will be the alternatives? I have the same question. While I'm not cheerleader for PA, it works for me on the desktop. However, due to ridding myself of most traces of freedesktop.org packages on my main desktop computer running Debian Jes

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 09:29:18AM +0300, Mitt wrote: > On 2015-07-01 19:45, Dave Turner wrote: > > > Thanks Mitt, systemd-shim is now gone! > > libsystemd0 wanted to remove far too many packages including my newly > > installed hydrogen and anything to do with audio so that stays. > > I read up o

[DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 8:55 schrieb Jaromil: > We see Devuan as a system for professionals, not consumers, and that also > includes audio/video professionals. > > Pulseaudio will likely be eliminated from available choices, because of its

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 08:45:28PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: >On 01/07/15 15:02, Mitt wrote: > >Hey, Dave >Check out once you have consolekit installed, then create a .xinitrc >file in your home folder, write there startxfce4 --with-ck-launch and >start your session with xinit

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Jaromil
Thanks Mitt We see Devuan as a system for professionals, not consumers, and that also includes audio/video professionals. Pulseaudio will likely be eliminated from available choices, because of its poor latency and lack to support anything that is not just a desktop player or voip application.