Re: [DNG] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

2015-06-16 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
If you do any cloud development or deployment, you will meet that requirement again. It happens all the time in distributed cloudy services. For example: you need the ability to look up backends immediately, you need read access to the database PDQ, and you need write access eventually, but tha

Re: [DNG] [Dng] Hal and Vdev

2015-06-16 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 02:55:09PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > > Hi Isaac, > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Isaac Dunham > wrote: > > > I've looked at https://github.com/cshorler/hal-flash, and here's what > > > I can ma

Re: [DNG] [Dng] Hal and Vdev

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 02:55:09PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > Hi Isaac, > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > I've looked at https://github.com/cshorler/hal-flash, and here's what > > I can make out: > > - This version uses dbus to connect to udisks2 for everything it > >

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:42:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 07:40:18AM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > But watching for file creation seems like a case of refusing to work > > with the package manager. > > Not quite... it lets you reread them if the sysadmin moodifies th

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:45:55AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 05:34:49PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > Anto writes: > > >So I am not really sure what you meant by "reading the new > > >directives at boot time". Which directive would that be, where is > > >it located a

Re: [DNG] [Dng] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

2015-06-16 Thread Klaus Hartnegg
Am 15.06.2015 um 16:35 schrieb Steve Litt: I know that every service has a "provides", that basically gives the service a uniformly agreed upon name. And it has zero to many "requires", which I believe means that the current service (call it A), requires another service (call it B), so it won't s

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Anto
On 16/06/15 20:42, Roger Leigh wrote: On 16/06/2015 18:14, Anto wrote: I was not really sure if script similar to update-rc.d would be relevant to epoch as the way the runlevel is being managed in epoch is different from sysvinit. That is why I am looking for other options. update-rc.d is an

Re: [DNG] [Dng] Hal and Vdev

2015-06-16 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 08:18:18PM -0400, JeremyBekka C wrote: > > > Hi Jeremy, > > > > > I have a question about the deprecated program hal. We like to stream > > > videos from Amazon.com but we need hal installed in order to mak

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On 16/06/2015 18:14, Anto wrote: I was not really sure if script similar to update-rc.d would be relevant to epoch as the way the runlevel is being managed in epoch is different from sysvinit. That is why I am looking for other options. update-rc.d is an *interface* to update service registrati

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Anto
On 16/06/15 16:40, Isaac Dunham wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:09:43AM +0200, Anto wrote: On 16/06/15 10:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Anto writes: Yes. I almost have everything to start trying to build epoch package, *except* one important point that I have been asking for. That is the me

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Anto
On 16/06/15 18:34, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Anto writes: So I am not really sure what you meant by "reading the new directives at boot time". Which directive would that be, where is it located and which package provides that? You read things like # Provides and # Required-Start to gener

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 05:34:49PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Anto writes: > >So I am not really sure what you meant by "reading the new > >directives at boot time". Which directive would that be, where is > >it located and which package provides that? > > You read things like > > # Provid

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 07:40:18AM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote: > But watching for file creation seems like a case of refusing to work > with the package manager. Not quite... it lets you reread them if the sysadmon moodifies them. -- hendrik ___ Dng mail

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Anto writes: So I am not really sure what you meant by "reading the new directives at boot time". Which directive would that be, where is it located and which package provides that? You read things like # Provides and # Required-Start to generate an Epoch configuration in /etc/epoch.co

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:09:43AM +0200, Anto wrote: > > > On 16/06/15 10:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > >Anto writes: > >>Yes. I almost have everything to start trying to build epoch package, > >>*except* one important point that I have been asking for. That is the > >>mechanism to trigger an ac

Re: [DNG] [Dng] Readiness notification

2015-06-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 15/06/2015 01:14, Laurent Bercot a écrit : (We should take this to the supervision list, this is becoming seriously off-topic for dng.) Dear Laurent, My opinion is that it is not off-topic at all. Instead it is central. Fast init, readiness signalling and supervision are the prim

[DNG] Hal and Vdev

2015-06-16 Thread JeremyBekka C
>I don't know enough yet about why Amazon's DRM regime requires libhal >and >hal. A bit of googling on the train this morning suggests that Adobe flash >player (the old unsupported one) needs it for some reason. I'm not sure >why, though--I looked at the symbol table and linkage tables of the >libf

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/06/2015 11:09, Anto a écrit : Anto writes: Yes. I almost have everything to start trying to build epoch package, *except* one important point that I have been asking for. That is the mechanism to trigger an action to automatically update epoch.conf and start the daemon when we install al

Re: [DNG] [Dng] Epoch Thoughts.

2015-06-16 Thread Jaromil
dear Ben, On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Ben Dibell wrote: > I've been following DNG's discussion of my init system Epoch, and I'd > be happy to provide any required information to aid its addition to > Devuan. good to have you here! welcome. I've been following myself your development on Epoch, had a lo

Re: [DNG] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

2015-06-16 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Hendrik Boom wrote: Just make sure the package cops-bsd isn't installed. It provides a file /usr/bin/lpr, which is preumably a front end to cups. And cat should be lower-case, obviously. There are plenty of videos illustrating what happens if it isn't. Regards, Rob ___

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Anto
On 16/06/15 12:27, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Come to think of it... If you read init.d anyway, why not read it at boot time if a new directive is set, e.g. apply-lsb-instructions=true? Arnt Thanks a lot Arnt, Please do not assume that I am a hardcore programmer or a hardcore UNIX/Linux admi

Re: [DNG] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

2015-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 01:17:54PM +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > > Cat Some_File.ps | lpr (bypassing CUPS) should work. If not, it's > not a postscript printer. Just make sure the package cops-bsd isn't installed. It provides a file /usr/bin/lpr, which is preumably a front end to cups. A

Re: [DNG] [Dng] A nice candidate substitute to network-manager

2015-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:00:37AM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 09:18:14AM +0200, Anto wrote: > > For what I understood, that is not a hard dependency. I believe that > > commit would only have an affect if systemd-hostnamed is running. > > Which is bad... how? I fail to u

Re: [DNG] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

2015-06-16 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Nate Bargmann wrote: As if on cue, IgnorantGuru posts up a very timely and salient post: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/ Sadly, CUPS is long one of these technologies ensnared by Apple and now we're beholden to them. At first CU

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Come to think of it... If you read init.d anyway, why not read it at boot time if a new directive is set, e.g. apply-lsb-instructions=true? Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Anto
On 16/06/15 10:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Anto writes: Yes. I almost have everything to start trying to build epoch package, *except* one important point that I have been asking for. That is the mechanism to trigger an action to automatically update epoch.conf and start the daemon when we i

Re: [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Anto writes: Yes. I almost have everything to start trying to build epoch package, *except* one important point that I have been asking for. That is the mechanism to trigger an action to automatically update epoch.conf and start the daemon when we install all packages with daemons that need to

Re: [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Anto
On 16/06/15 02:10, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:48:00 +0200 Anto wrote: I am not entirely sure what would happen if we purged sysvinit to replace it with epoch, whether those packages will still generate their specific scripts on /etc/init.d when we install them under epoch or no

[Dng] Epoch Thoughts.

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Dibell
I've been following DNG's discussion of my init system Epoch, and I'd be happy to provide any required information to aid its addition to Devuan. If you haven't seen it, the homepage is here: http://universe2.us/epoch.html I'm close to releasing 1.3.0 "Fluoxetine" as some noticed from my featu