Re: Unsubscription amusement

2019-05-06 Thread Paul Sutton
On 06/05/2019 00:00, Paul Boddie wrote: > Hello, > > I see that some people are still having fun with the Mailman interface trying > to unsubscribe people from this list, specifically 91.64.208.89 or > ip5b40d059.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de as they are also known. > > Perhaps some actual, re

Re: free software promotion and local status

2019-05-06 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Paul, thanks for sharing your experiences! Helping others to understand Free Software is an ongoing task and it needs wit and patience. :) Am Freitag 03 Mai 2019 13:01:52 schrieb Paul Sutton: > I tried to approach people such as digital unite in the UK, who are > working to bridge the digital

Re: Request for Clarifications

2019-05-06 Thread Mirko Boehm
Hi, > On 6. May 2019, at 04:36, Florian Snow wrote: > > Calling Daniel's behavior a symptom is a gross understatement. The symptoms of some ailments can be quite unpleasant, even icky. But I see your point. Now for some root cause analysis, please. Cheers, Mirko. -- Mirko Boehm | mi...@kde.

FSFE "officials" on this list (Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list)

2019-05-06 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Paul, Am Donnerstag 02 Mai 2019 21:45:40 schrieb Paul Boddie: > I would also encourage the FSFE leadership to use venues like this list to > more fully engage with the community, even when this involves encountering > dissent. doing a rough count on my personal archive which starts 2016: There

external request to leave the Discussion mailing list

2019-05-06 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear friends, the same i got in the fsf-de-maillist with the same IP adress 91.64.208.89 (Vodafone '91.64.0.0 - 91.64.255.255'). But in this time, i live in Asuncion in Paraguay and here in the hostal they have a Tigo Paraguay account. In the email header, you can see the IP space. I am shu

Re: Unsubscription amusement

2019-05-06 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Je lun, 2019-05-06 je 09:00 +0100, Paul Sutton skribis: > > On 06/05/2019 00:00, Paul Boddie wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I see that some people are still having fun with the Mailman interface > > trying > > to unsubscribe people from this list, specifically 91.64.208.89 or > > ip5b40d059.dynamic

Technical: about false unsubscribe attempts (Re: Unsubscription amusement)

2019-05-06 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Paul, Am Montag 06 Mai 2019 10:00:06 schrieb Paul Sutton: > Now I am getting unauthorized attempts to remove me from the fsfe.org list > What exactly is going on here please. technically: Anyone can use the mailman interface to request an unsubscribe event for a specific mail address. Mailman

Re: external request to leave the Discussion mailing list

2019-05-06 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 06/05/2019 07:00, willi uebelherr wrote: > > Dear friends, > > the same i got in the fsf-de-maillist with the same IP adress > 91.64.208.89 (Vodafone '91.64.0.0 - 91.64.255.255'). But in this time, i > live in Asuncion in Paraguay and here in the hostal they have a Tigo > Paraguay account. I

GitHub, proprietary services and Save Code Share (was Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)

2019-05-06 Thread Paul Boddie
On Saturday 4. May 2019 13.42.51 Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 03/05/2019 19:00, Paul Boddie wrote: > > So, in the case of the Copyright Directive, where much fuss was made about > > keeping code sharing platforms free of copyright filters, it seemed that > > the FSFE was acting to defend GitHub and va

Re: external request to leave the Discussion mailing list

2019-05-06 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Le 06/05/2019 à 12:50, Daniel Pocock a écrit : So what you write appears to be rather defamatory and offensive but also a bit ridiculous. Just the type of thing that other people from FSFE have been doing with private gossip emails. Naturally, lists.fsfe.org allows offensive messages like yours

Re: Request for Clarifications

2019-05-06 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Saturday, 2019-05-04 15:41:26 +0200, Diogo Constantino wrote: To: discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu, discussion@lists.fsfe.org > [...] Interesting how that mail did not make it to Pocock's list, where every mail now is manually approved.. or discarded.. Eike -- OpenPGP/GnuPG encrypte

Re: GitHub, proprietary services and Save Code Share (was Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)

2019-05-06 Thread Mirko Boehm
Hello, > On 6. May 2019, at 12:37, Paul Boddie wrote: > > On Saturday 4. May 2019 13.42.51 Nikos Roussos wrote: >> On 03/05/2019 19:00, Paul Boddie wrote: >>> So, in the case of the Copyright Directive, where much fuss was made about >>> keeping code sharing platforms free of copyright filters,

On Censorship

2019-05-06 Thread Joe Awni
I want to call your attention to a serious ongoing organizational asymmetry between a group like the FSFE with their ties to big software (ie: Github whom RMS has spoken against), dedicated office, staff, and budget vs an unorganized set of independent Free Software developers who might be struggli

Re: external request to leave the Discussion mailing list

2019-05-06 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 06/05/2019 13:48, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Le 06/05/2019 à 12:50, Daniel Pocock a écrit : >> So what you write appears to be rather defamatory and offensive but also >> a bit ridiculous.  Just the type of thing that other people from FSFE >> have been doing with private gossip emails. >> >> Na

Re: free software promotion and local status

2019-05-06 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi On of the digital skills sites is https://www.learnmyway.com/ I think th e issue with these digital unite et al is lack of volunteers who are the digital champions with these skills to share them. It needs education on open standards, but the argument is that everyone uses MS word, and closed

Strategy and serendipity (was Re: FSFE "officials" on this list (Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list))

2019-05-06 Thread Paul Boddie
On Monday 6. May 2019 10.27.57 Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Am Donnerstag 02 Mai 2019 21:45:40 schrieb Paul Boddie: > > I would also encourage the FSFE leadership to use venues like this list to > > more fully engage with the community, even when this involves encountering > > dissent.

Re: On Censorship

2019-05-06 Thread Erik Albers
Hi Joe, On 06.05.19 16:58, Joe Awni wrote: > Personally, I have experienced instances of de facto censorship in the form > of not being allowed to participate in an election, You have not being allowed to participate because the deadline for candidates have been on February 1st and you applied

moving on

2019-05-06 Thread Ion Savin
All, Could we just let this subject go, move it off-list or create a dedicated list for it? Again it seems to take over the "discussion" list. If you look back one year in the list archive this took the vast majority of what was discussed here. -- Ion Savin

Re: On Censorship

2019-05-06 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 06/05/2019 17:58, Joe Awni wrote: > I think it is absolutely important we avoid censorship in any > communication in any form. I think that's something we can all agree. Well, at least on this mailing list ;) What seems to be the root of disagreement sometime though, is how we define censorshi

Re: free software promotion and local status

2019-05-06 Thread Christian Imhorst
Hi Paul, Am 6. Mai 2019 14:41:31 MESZ schrieb Paul Sutton : >Just a thought, I can try and convince people to offer training in >libre >office but one person won't make any difference. > I strongly believe that one person can make a hugh difference. I live in Hannover and I am thinking about to

Re: Request for Clarifications

2019-05-06 Thread Florian Snow
On May 6, 2019 11:49:16 AM EDT, Daniel Pocock wrote: > the other censors Aren't you that other person you are talking about in the third person? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion

Re: free software promotion and local status

2019-05-06 Thread Paul Sutton
Further to this, I think this morning (6/5/2019) on BBC breakfast there was an article with regard to a company, in Sheffield, UK who were so fed up with the lack of skills they are setting up their own training academy so they can develop the skills they need. In light of this, would it be wort

Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?

2019-05-06 Thread Florian Snow
On May 6, 2019 11:15:56 AM EDT, Daniel Pocock wrote: >Notice how the vast majority of messages come from people within that >first group? > >Even though the second group is so much bigger, notice how very few >fellows (0.25%) are actually engaged in the discussion, while 25% of >the >FSFE e.V. m

Re: On Censorship

2019-05-06 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Je lun, 2019-05-06 je 10:58 -0400, Joe Awni skribis: > I think it is absolutely important we avoid censorship in any communication > in any form. Hard skip. This is how you get 4chan; a racist, sexist, discriminatory platform in which only the staunchest of Status Quo Warriors thrive amidst bigot

Re: Request for Clarifications

2019-05-06 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 06/05/2019 17:01, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi, > > On Saturday, 2019-05-04 15:41:26 +0200, Diogo Constantino wrote: > > To: discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu, discussion@lists.fsfe.org > >> [...] > > Interesting how that mail did not make it to Pocock's list, where every > mail now is manually

Re: On Censorship

2019-05-06 Thread Karun
After reading the posts here I’m seriously thinking to stop supporting the FSFE as a „supporter“ and also because of the fellowship discontinuation. In the Future it seems better to support the Free software Foundation in the us which’s more mature. -- Karun On Mon, 6 May 2019, at 5:51 PM,

Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?

2019-05-06 Thread Daniel Pocock
(a message that was sent to the old list on 17.09.2018 and blocked by FSFE censors, can you find any CoC violation in it? Or is it the golden rule of censorship: block any discussion about the censorship!) On 15/09/18 11:54, Andrej Shadura wrote: > On 14 September 2018 at 23:08, Michael Kesper w

Re: external request to leave the Discussion mailing list

2019-05-06 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear Daniel, thank you for the indirect distribution of my email. But, as a moderator of this list, you block my email. Why? You wrote: "So what you write appears to be rather defamatory and offensive but also a bit ridiculous." Can you explain that? Tell me/us, what you think? If a list

Re: Strategy and serendipity

2019-05-06 Thread Carsten Agger
Hi Paul Thanks for your mail, which raised some points that are very close to what I myself have been thinking for some time now, albeit I believe with a rather different backstory. On 5/6/19 5:39 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: [..] > I think I often make the point that advocacy has its place in encour

Re: On Censorship

2019-05-06 Thread Christian Imhorst
Hi Karun, Am 6. Mai 2019 19:11:58 MESZ schrieb Karun : >After reading the posts here I’m seriously thinking to stop supporting >the FSFE as a „supporter“ and also because of the fellowship >discontinuation. In the Future it seems better to support the Free >software Foundation in the us which’s mo

Re: Request for Clarifications

2019-05-06 Thread Eike Rathke
On Monday, 2019-05-06 17:49:16 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > To: discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu, discussion@lists.fsfe.org > >> [...] > > Interesting how that mail did not make it to Pocock's list, where every > > mail now is manually approved.. or discarded.. > > Given that over 90% of peop

Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?

2019-05-06 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Mon, 6 May 2019 17:15:56 +0200 Daniel Pocock wrote: > while 25% of the FSFE e.V. members have engaged in the discussion. It’s simply because they have interest to maintain the current narrative alive. Besnik ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@