Fridays for Free Software ;)

2019-05-03 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hello Friends of Free Software, as you may have heard a number of children refuse going to school on each Friday to make people aware that the world has to act swiftly if we want to protect our stable world climate. Free Software can help to protect the climate and the environment, because it h

Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)

2019-05-03 Thread Christian Imhorst
Hello Erik, Am 02.05.2019 12:59 schrieb Erik Albers: We will stop this attack as soon as possible and discuss the case with legal experts to take action accordingly. can you please tell us what do you want to achieve or what's the result of the discussion with legal experts? It's not okay

Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock

2019-05-03 Thread Christian Kalkhoff
Dear all, Am Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019, 09:43:44 CEST schrieb Michael Kesper: > Dear all, > > It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has > a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu It seems to me, that either the list is broken by now or got switched to moder

The "rival" discussion mailing list

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Boddie
Hello, Subscribers to this mailing list have recently been introduced to the existence of a new "rival" mailing list [*] in a way that might well be regarded as being both ill-conceived and regrettable. There may be merits in conducting discussion on another list, but the apparent attempt to tr

Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock

2019-05-03 Thread Erik Albers
On 03.05.19 10:08, Christian Kalkhoff wrote: > Dear all, > > Am Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019, 09:43:44 CEST schrieb Michael Kesper: >> Dear all, >> >> It seems that former fellowship representative Daniel Pocock has >> a) set up a mailing list discuss...@lists.fsfellowship.eu > > It seems to me, that

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Paul! Am 02.05.19 um 21:45 schrieb Paul Boddie: > It would obviously have been far more appropriate for Daniel to merely > advertise that another discussion venue has been set up and for him to invite > those who are interested to sign up for themselves. As far as I know, no such > invitati

Re: Fridays for Free Software ;)

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Sutton
On 03/05/2019 07:59, Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > Hello Friends of Free Software, > > as you may have heard a number of children refuse going to school on each > Friday to make people aware that the world has to act swiftly if we want to > protect our stable world climate. > > Free Software ca

Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock

2019-05-03 Thread Florian Snow
Hi everyone, One of my corrections has not gone through either. I don't care about my mail, but it shows that Daniel lies even about these basic things such as not filtering mails. Up until this episode, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now I have no idea anymore how he could pos

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Sutton
On 03/05/2019 10:46, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, Paul! > > Am 02.05.19 um 21:45 schrieb Paul Boddie: >> It would obviously have been far more appropriate for Daniel to merely >> advertise that another discussion venue has been set up and for him to >> invite >> those who are interested to si

Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)

2019-05-03 Thread Erik Albers
Hi Christian, On 03.05.19 08:00, Christian Imhorst wrote: > Am 02.05.2019 12:59 schrieb Erik Albers: >> We will stop this attack as soon as possible and discuss the case with legal >> experts to take action accordingly. > > can you please tell us what do you want to achieve or what's the result

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

2019-05-03 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Paul, Thank you very much for your well thought out email (as always). I agree with you that we need to resolve this, but I have no idea how. Daniel's grievances with the FSFE are largely based on what I would call a misunderstanding. Yet he reacted angrily to any attempt of clarification.

Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)

2019-05-03 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Christian, I am also not directly involved in this, but I think legal action (not necessarily suing someone, but for example filing GDPR violations or possibly criminal charges with the police) are very much appropriate. I am not sure what laws are concerned here in detail but I think such

Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 03 May 2019 06:35:17 -0400 Florian Snow wrote: > Hi Christian, > > I think such a massive violation of privacy and attacking > & manipulating our infrastructure is not just a mess to be cleaned > up, it requires the proper legal response as well. So nobody ever try to raise censorship i

free software promotion and local status

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Sutton
In response to the thead Fridays for Free Software ;) I am going to try and share a few thoughts from my own experiences. I tried to approach people such as digital unite in the UK, who are working to bridge the digital divide by developing digital skills. They work on a set curriculum on how t

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Besnik, You are right. I forgot about the witch hunting clan within the FSFE. How silly of me! Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is cove

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Besnik, all sarcasm aside, Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? what exactly do you refer to in this sentence? If FSFE spends money on something, I'm usually among the first o

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 3. May 2019 15.00.30 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, Besnik, > > all sarcasm aside, > > Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? > > what exactly do you refer to in this se

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Karun
I think the FSFE needs to change to become an Organisation where the FSFE Fellows/Supporters are actually members like many other Organisations. For instance I’m a member of Proveg e.v. and there you are actually a member and not just a „financial contributor“ like with FSFE. -- Karun Dambiec

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

2019-05-03 Thread Novica Nakov
Hi, Is there a rival mailing list or a rival organization too? What is https://fsfellowship.eu/? -- nnvc ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE'

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Dear Paul, thank you for your verbose reply. Am 03.05.19 um 18:00 schrieb Paul Boddie: >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us >>> "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? >> >> what exactly do you refer to in this senten

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Karun! Am 03.05.19 um 18:36 schrieb Karun: > I think the FSFE needs to change to become an Organisation where the > FSFE Fellows/Supporters are actually members like many other > Organisations. For instance I’m a member of Proveg e.v. and there you > are actually a member and not just a „finan

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 3. May 2019 22.00.24 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Dear Paul, > > thank you for your verbose reply. You're welcome! > Am 03.05.19 um 18:00 schrieb Paul Boddie: > >> Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > >>> we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > >>> "safeguard" Free Software

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

2019-05-03 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Novica, On May 3, 2019 11:49:49 AM EDT, Novica Nakov wrote: > What is https://fsfellowship.eu/? That is a very good question. I would urge Daniel Pocock, the webmaster, webhoster and ISP of that website to answer that question. It appears that he wants to receive funds of about 200,000 Euro

Request for Clarifications

2019-05-03 Thread Paul Schaub
Hello list, as probably most of us I'm trying to get a clear picture of what happened and why. On my quest to find answers, and to grasp the situation as close to truth as possible, I have some questions to officials of the FSFE. For a start, are the allegations of "censorship" regarding the blog

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 03 May 2019 18:00:03 +0200 Paul Boddie wrote: > why the FSFE has avoided or abandoned such a role when it could have > been more influential. This leaves impressions of apathy or a lack of > guidance or strategy, none of which are particularly reassuring to > supporters of the organisatio

FSFE paying lawyers (was: Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?)

2019-05-03 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Paul! Am 03.05.19 um 23:08 schrieb Paul Boddie: > It is possibly the more interesting discussion from my perspective, but I can > understand that your perspective may be different. So I hope you don't get me wrong when I ask you to open a new thread for the discussion which you (and probably

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 3 May 2019 22:00:24 +0200 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Besnik claimed that FSFE gave money (even "the money") to lawyers in > the course of that activity. This is an allegation for which I would > request information about on what it is based. > > Thanks, I didn't claim anything close to th

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

2019-05-03 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Fri, 3 May 2019 15:00:30 +0200 Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, Besnik, > > all sarcasm aside, > > Am 03.05.19 um 13:48 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > > we give the money to lawyers who "helped" us > > "safeguard" Free Software through Copyright Directive, right? > > what exactly do you refer to in