Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 17. November 2017 03.30.40 Mirko Boehm wrote: > > > On 17. Nov 2017, at 09:13, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > > > > That is self-contradictory but begins to get into why the open source > > development methodology and philosophy exists. In short, open source is > > (as Stallman has pointed ou

Re: [UK] Information about the think tank Doteveryone

2017-11-17 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Just for informational purposes: I thank Mx. Piniella and also those from Doteveryone who replied. However, I do hope that either: - the suggestions and notes presented are implemented or discussed explicitly; - they discuss the importance of free/libre software philosophy/movement explicitl

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Carsten Agger
On 11/17/2017 01:54 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > Open source is not right wing, and free software is not left wing. > Nobody is saying that the software is one thing or the other. But I would > argue that people with a neoliberal perspective are unlikely to talk about > "Free Software": they will

Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Mat Witts
Hi, A good reason to stay out of discussions would be if we were to consider that we have nothing to add that could improve them. A bad reason would be because the subject matter strains the limits of subjective human incredulity. I don't think that  J.B. Nicholson's argument rests on whether RMS

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Carsten Agger
On 11/17/2017 02:39 PM, Carsten Agger wrote: > > On 11/17/2017 01:54 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > >> Open source is not right wing, and free software is not left wing. >> Nobody is saying that the software is one thing or the other. But I would >> argue that people with a neoliberal perspective are

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Carsten Agger
On 11/17/2017 02:47 PM, Carsten Agger wrote: > Admittedly, there's a lot of lack of ambiguity or clarity here. Argh, not a "lack" of ambiguity - there *is* a lot of ambiguity, sorry. > > Check out this very beatiful folder from one of our clients, the > municipality of Aarhus (in Danish): > > htt

PDFreaders monitoring in Italy

2017-11-17 Thread Matthias Kirschner
Tarin Gamberini wrote another monitoring report about PDFreaders in Italy: "Adoption of Free Software PDF readers in Italian Regional Public Administrations (fifth monitoring)" https://www.taringamberini.com/en/blog/fsfe/adoption-of-free-software-pdf-readers-in-italian-regional-public-administrat

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi everyone, in this discussion, as has been pointed out before, it's useful if people please remember this article, which is the comparison the FSFE points to officially when people ask: https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/basics/comparison.en.html I quote a relevant part: > The Free Software move

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread hellekin
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 02:58:29PM +0100, Carsten Agger (@agger) wrote: > > The values are more important than the words. > Hi Carsten, I think precisely the opposite, that words convey values, and the values in turn shape the meaning of words. Now we have a different situation from 1998, and fro

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Giovanni Biscuolo
Hi everyone, I swear this are my fist and *last* two cents about this topic I'm considering (re)becoming a FSFE Supporter (ex Fellow) after some years of absence; I feel an urgency to to something after the (last) *desperation* [1] I suffered for the "MINIX on ring -3" "discovery", I hope to do

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi, We do prefer Free Software as a term and happily tell people so. We will never tell anyone they are wrong to say Open Source though, and we expect others to extend the same curtsey to us when we talk about Free Software. Best Jonas On November 17, 2017 7:31:26 PM GMT+01:00, Giovanni Bisc

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
I couldn't have said better. I fully agree with you on these points. Thank you very much! ;) hellekin writes: > Hi Carsten, I think precisely the opposite, that words convey values, > and the values in turn shape the meaning of words. Now we have a > different situation from 1998, and from 2013

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-17 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi everyone, As has already been said, people sometimes talk about "open source" when they refer to the four freedoms, or vice versa. I do not think it's helpful for anyone to try to divide people by the terminology they use. I can not stress this enough, because it strikes a nerve. I am what you