The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Matthias Kirschner
Hello all, I thought you might be interested in that blog post: http://k7r.eu/2-percent-discussion-free-software-or-open-source-software/ Scott Peterson from Red Hat this week published an article "Open Source or Free Software". It touches on a very important misunderstanding; people still b

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Stefan Umit Uygur
Personally, knowing and being involved closely to the development/history of both Free and Open Source Software during the past 20yrs I think there is no point of trying to compare the 2 entities or distinguish one from another. I rather see them one depending on another, meaning without Free Soft

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Interesting indeed. I vote for using terms that define our values, not neutral ones. Personallyq, I'm an activist, not an user. I want to spread my values, not rely on neutral term just "to reach" more people. If I reach more pople in the process, that's OK, but not a priority for me as free/libr

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Addendum: Both the free/libre software movement and the open source development model generally produce and work in the same projects. The differences are in ideology and this can also result in discussions for which the decisions affect the resulting product --- which might have some side-effects

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi Adonay, > As is already present in the reference I made to Stallman's talk, some > of the differences in the ideology of those two groups are visible in > the choice of license type, presence (or absense) of license enforcement > (and how it's made) and how they behave when noticing derivatives

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Jonas Oberg schreef op do 16-11-2017 om 15:10 [+0100]: > I would posit though that to the extent there's a difference between two > groups (I'm not convinced there are, at least not so distinctly), then the > difference is not between whether they use "Free Software" or "Open Source" > as a term, b

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Adonay Felipe Nogueira schreef op do 16-11-2017 om 11:25 [-0200]: > Finally, Stallman also states ([1]) that supporters/followers/proponents > --- and projects supporting/following --- free/libre software > *philosophy* should avoid both "FOSS" (because of the misleading "free" > part which reminds

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi Carmen, > There is a difference between the groups.  "Open Source" is a tool or > methadology, not a moral stance or ideology like "Free Software" is. That's a popular stance, but I don't believe it's justified. In either case, if you hear someone talking about Open Source, you can not, from t

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Jonas Oberg schreef op do 16-11-2017 om 16:03 [+0100]: > That's a popular stance, but I don't believe it's justified. In either case, > if you hear someone talking about Open Source, you can not, from the term > alone, determine whether that person ascribes to it a moral stance or > not. You need t

Re: LWN article on Limux / WiMue and PMPC

2017-11-16 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 10. November 2017 15.53.26 Matthias Kirschner wrote: > As on Wednesday a committee in Munich decided to do the Windows Munich > Migration Project (let's call that "WiMue" for short in future ;) ) I > thought you might be interested in this LWN article about my talk on the > migration in M

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Indeed, not all people in favor of lax/permissive licenses are "open source" proponents, because these people might as well shift their views in favor of copyleft licensing depending on how important the project is. Also, just because a project denotes itself as "open source", this doesn't mean th

Re: The 2% discussion - "Free Software" or "Open Source Software"

2017-11-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You are indeed correct. If one wants to be neutral, one can use "FLOSS". The same reference states that free/libre software activists don't need to be neutral, and this is what I said earlier. ;) Carmen Bianca Bakker writes: > Important to note is that he does prefer "FLOSS" for neutrality[2]:

Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-16 Thread J.B. Nicholson
Stefan Umit Uygur wrote: Personally, knowing and being involved closely to the development/history of both Free and Open Source Software during the past 20yrs I think there is no point of trying to compare the 2 entities or distinguish one from another. There isn't just one point, there are mul

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-16 Thread Mirko Boehm
Hi, I wanted to stay out of this discussion because I cannot believe that we are even having it, but it is difficult :-) > On 17. Nov 2017, at 09:13, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > >> I rather see them one depending on another, meaning without Free >> Software I doubt that the Open Source Software wo

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-16 Thread Stefan Umit Uygur
Hi J.B., I am going to quote you quickly without breaking the entire commentary as it is more readable... Mine was just a response and purely referred to the article, not an abstract of all possible points. Pls pay close attention 😉 Re to your statement about self-contradictory part, you are in a

Re: Free software and open source philosophies differ sometimes with radically different outcomes

2017-11-16 Thread Stefan Umit Uygur
Amen! Finally, thanks Mirko, totally with you on this. Didn't read your comments before l replied to JB. Well said in simple words. On 17 Nov 2017 2:31 am, "Mirko Boehm" wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to stay out of this discussion because I cannot believe that we > are even having it, but it is dif