Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Nikos Roussos
On September 1, 2017 8:52:13 AM GMT+03:00, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote: >But I am unequivocally against such programs, on the simple grounds >that >it tries to combat discrimination _through_ discrimination, which is >about as silly to me as trying to achieve world peace through war. It >genera

Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Carmen Bianca Bakker
Hello, On Saturday, 2 September 2017 09:51:36 CEST Nikos Roussos wrote: > I don't see any discrimination here, and in general in any initiative > that tries to help minorities. It is discrimination by its very definition, though. That is: making a distinction between groups of people. This prog

Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/09/17 10:45, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote: > >> Treating these efforts as >> discrimination means that we ignore the fact that we live in a world >> where not all people have the same opportunities and that people of >> certain gender or color are privileged. > I personally find this brush a li

Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Nikos Roussos
On September 2, 2017 11:45:20 AM GMT+03:00, Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote: >Hello, > >On Saturday, 2 September 2017 09:51:36 CEST Nikos Roussos wrote: >> I don't see any discrimination here, and in general in any initiative >> that tries to help minorities. > >It is discrimination by its very defi

Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 02/09/17 12:27, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On September 2, 2017 11:45:20 AM GMT+03:00, Carmen Bianca Bakker > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Saturday, 2 September 2017 09:51:36 CEST Nikos Roussos wrote: >>> I don't see any discrimination here, and in general in any initiative >>> that tries to help min

Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Fabian Keil
Carmen Bianca Bakker wrote: > On Saturday, 2 September 2017 09:51:36 CEST Nikos Roussos wrote: > > I don't see any discrimination here, and in general in any initiative > > that tries to help minorities. > > It is discrimination by its very definition, though. That is: making a > distinction

Re: FSFE in Outreachy?

2017-09-02 Thread Nikos Roussos
On September 2, 2017 2:32:03 PM GMT+03:00, Daniel Pocock wrote: >So that is not really discrimination, that is just matching a problem >with a solution. Exactly. You can't judge Outreachy and similar efforts in vacuum. You have to put them in perspective within the bigger picture of Open Sour