Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-09-02 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Am Sonntag 02 September 2018 00:32:21 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > > Letting these opportunities pass and then opening countless disastrous > > discussions instead looks like nothing but trolling to me. > > Voting for something you judge wrong means giving it legitimacy, thus > going against yourself.

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-09-01 Thread Besnik Bleta
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 12:42:27 -0300 Torsten Grote wrote: > On 08/30/2018 02:44 AM, Harald Welte wrote: > > It seems that you neither attended the 2017 GA, nor delegated your > > vote, while the Agenda (which I suppose was delivered as part of > > the GA invitation) clearly lists two topics directly

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-09-01 Thread Torsten Grote
On 08/30/2018 02:44 AM, Harald Welte wrote: > It seems that you neither attended the 2017 GA, nor delegated your vote, > while the Agenda (which I suppose was delivered as part of the GA invitation) > clearly lists two topics directly related to the fellowship representative. > > So when looking a

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-29 Thread Harald Welte
Hi Daniel, On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:12:14PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > If the abusive termination of somebody's membership by underhanded means > doesn't deserve a firm response, what does? Nobody argues against a *firm* response. You can be firm while still using constructive wording/langu

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/08/18 09:01, Harald Welte wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I have been watching your rants on FSFE list and in other places for > a significant amount of time. Like others, I do believe your intentions > are good, but your tone and behaviour is not constructive at all. > Actually, I think you're dama

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-29 Thread Jonas Öberg
Hi Daniel, I'm not subscribed to this list, so I didn't see your email until it was forwarded to me. However, as you're indirectly implicating me in your comments, I would like the opportunity to respond in the same thread: > With well over half of the funds now coming from the corporate sector

Re: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)

2018-08-29 Thread Erik Albers
Hi Daniel, On 28.08.2018 09:25, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 27/08/18 16:02, Erik Albers wrote: >> Hi Daniel, >> >> I like to believe that your activities and communication are with good >> intention and you like to change things for the good. However, you should >> keep >> in mind that we are a or

Re: terminating memberships responsibly (was: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation))

2018-08-29 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Daniel, [while I am quoting from this mail which I understand you have intended to be public, I only quote and respond on the points I believe the public can understand. My aim is to protect you, me and others from writing something in anger that afterwards cannot be retracted from public

Re: terminating memberships responsibly (was: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation))

2018-08-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 28/08/18 09:27, Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Am Dienstag 28 August 2018 09:25:08 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> When council included a motion in the agenda of the extraordinary >> general meeting calling for the immediate termination of my membership, >> that was not "being excellent t

Re: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)

2018-08-28 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Daniel, Am Dienstag 28 August 2018 09:25:08 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > When council included a motion in the agenda of the extraordinary > general meeting calling for the immediate termination of my membership, > that was not "being excellent to each other". any organisation(+) reserves the righ

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-28 Thread Harald Welte
Hi Daniel, I have been watching your rants on FSFE list and in other places for a significant amount of time. Like others, I do believe your intentions are good, but your tone and behaviour is not constructive at all. Actually, I think you're damaging/discrediting your own position by the agressi

Re: please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)

2018-08-28 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/08/18 16:02, Erik Albers wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I like to believe that your activities and communication are with good > intention and you like to change things for the good. However, you should keep > in mind that we are a organically grown organization with an established > communication a

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/08/18 16:07, Torsten Grote wrote: > Hi list, > > I was the first elected fellowship representative and am still part of > the legal body FSFE e.V. where I had to see this kind of trolling for > way too long already. Lots of time and energy wasted that could > otherwise have been spent to furt

Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-27 Thread Torsten Grote
Hi list, I was the first elected fellowship representative and am still part of the legal body FSFE e.V. where I had to see this kind of trolling for way too long already. Lots of time and energy wasted that could otherwise have been spent to further Free Software. I'll personally back out of this

please be excellent to each other (Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)

2018-08-27 Thread Erik Albers
Hi Daniel, I like to believe that your activities and communication are with good intention and you like to change things for the good. However, you should keep in mind that we are a organically grown organization with an established communication and community culture. And although we are in a pr

Merchandise production (was: Re: application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation)

2018-08-27 Thread Reinhard Müller
Dear Daniel, after reading your email twice, I still can't make any sense of it, unless it's just a rant by intention. Especially I can read neither an application for membership from it, nor a resignation. Anyway, I'll focus on the one item that falls in my responsibility as the former financial

application for FSFE e.V. membership and resignation

2018-08-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
Hi Matthias, I am writing to you directly, with CC to the FSFE community, as this is the procedure for membership described[1] in the constitution of FSFE e.V. I understand that previous Fellowship representatives have written to you privately on this basis and been granted FSFE e.V. membership