Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi, Am Freitag 15 November 2019 12:24:49 schrieb Harald Welte: > I wholeheartedly agree with any criticism of so-called electronic (in > fact rather: software defined) voting. meanwhile there was another LWN article: Cryptography and elections https://lwn.net/Articles/810465/ By Jake Edge, Janua

Re: Voting and Free Software

Le 10/12/2019 à 17:50, Paul Schaub a écrit : Tom Scott did a video about why electronic voting is (still) a bad idea: https://invidio.us/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs Hi, at the end he talks very quickly about the blockchain way, witch was the one explored in the conference

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Michel, Yeah, its really a shame that its becoming more and more a trend to plug advertisements at the end of a video (at least on the platform where this video was originally uploaded). I agree that it ruins lots of potential of the video. However I think one can still learn a lot from it

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Le 10/12/2019 à 17:50, Paul Schaub a écrit : > > Because it is so relevant: > > Tom Scott did a video about why electronic voting is (still) a bad idea: > https://invidio.us/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs Hello, very interesting video indeed. The facts and questions are well explained. But at the end I've

Re: Voting and Free Software

Because it is so relevant: Tom Scott did a video about why electronic voting is (still) a bad idea: https://invidio.us/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs Happy Hacking Paul ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Harald, Thank you very much for the detailed and very nice summary of what happened back then in Germany. It was indeed an important victory for democracy. Harald Welte writes: > In fact, I find it highly problematic not only in public elections, but > I also find it very problematic for an

Re: Voting and Free Software

On Fri, 15 Nov 2019, Harald Welte wrote: In Debian elections, everyone eligible for a vote (I presume Debian developers) is a person highly skilled in information technology. In such an exceptional situation, a sufficiently simple and reasonably well-designed/verifiable (and Free Software) elec

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One short follow-up. Some people in the discussion have brought up the topic of the Debian voting mechanism. While I'm not familiar with its details, I think the situation here is extremely different: In Debian elections, everyone eligible for a vote (I presume Debian developers) is a person hi

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Matthias, sorry for being late to the party. On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 08:55:31AM +0100, Matthias Kirschner wrote: > Do you agree with this criticism or what do you think about that topic? I wholeheartedly agree with any criticism of so-called electronic (in fact rather: software defined) vot

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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I only found this one > https://www.en24.news/news/2019/11/10/a-technical-probl

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Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Meanwhile in Switzerland... (Text in German)

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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Meanwhile in Switzerland... (Text in German) > https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/info

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Hello, Matthias Kirschner writes: > * Richard Stallman [2019-11-06 04:33 +0100]: >> I am against using computers to enter votes. >> See stallman.org/evoting.html. > > Thank you for the pointer. I did not know about that page. Meanwhile in Switzerland... (Text in German) https://www.nzz.ch/schw

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* Richard Stallman [2019-11-06 04:33 +0100]: > I am against using computers to enter votes. > See stallman.org/evoting.html. Thank you for the pointer. I did not know about that page. Best regards, Matthias -- Matthias Kirschner - President - Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee

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I agree: understandability of e-voting is nonexistent respect to paper ballots___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All partici

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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > We used to have a GNU package, GNU FREE, for holding elections. > > We decide

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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think such a tool could be useful for within organizations or in case > where

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Hi Bruno, br...@tracciabi.li writes: > For all the rest, it depends on the threat model: "cui prodest?" Who > could have enough of an incentive to spend time, money and effort in > manipulating any specific vote? For real political election the answer > is always "a lot of people", so there is no

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I am spending most of my activistic time between free software and the fighst against attempt to introduce e-voting in Italy. I'm definitively against e-voting and free software can't really help. For anyone willing to join our Italian group fighting by policy lobbying, media monitoring and pa

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Richard, On 06.11.19 04:33, Richard Stallman wrote: > I am against using computers to enter votes. > See stallman.org/evoting.html. > > We used to have a GNU package, GNU FREE, for holding elections. > We decided, the developer and I, to withdraw it because software > should not be used for th

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Stephane, On 06.11.19 09:50, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Le 05/11/2019 à 08:55, Matthias Kirschner a écrit : >> Do you agree with this criticism or what do you think about that topic? > > Hi, this is Roberto Di Cosmo, one of the oldest and most important free > computing activists in Europe. I'd

Re: Voting and Free Software

For "real" political elections, the increased risk of manipulation (and the increased ease in hiding it), will always overcome any advantage which electronic voting might provide. For all the rest, it depends on the threat model: "cui prodest?" Who could have enough of an incentive to spend tim

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Richard, Richard Stallman writes: > I am against using computers to enter votes. > See stallman.org/evoting.html. I agree completely. Voting computers violate basic principles of elections by making vote counting completely intransparent. That is something that John Oliver (as much as I li

Re: Voting and Free Software

Le 05/11/2019 à 08:55, Matthias Kirschner a écrit : Do you agree with this criticism or what do you think about that topic? Hi, this is Roberto Di Cosmo, one of the oldest and most important free computing activists in Europe. I'd like to read its book « Technologie et Marché : journal d'un c

Re: Voting and Free Software

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I am against using computers to enter votes. See stallman.org/evoting.html. We used