Free Software economics (was Re: What should the FSFE provide)

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 31. August 2018 13.16.57 Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > > Am Donnerstag 30 August 2018 21:56:58 schrieb Paul Boddie: > > Thank you for indulging me in this discussion which has probably covered > > more ground already than many previous discussions on some of these > > topics. My apologies

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Am Freitag 31 August 2018 13:22:56 schrieb Besnik Bleta: > > convincing more than 18 thousand people code paid by > > public money should be published as Free Software > > Funny that you declare you don't know the "demos" of the fellowship, > although we pay (I myself no more) the membership fee th

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-31 Thread David Boddie
On Fri Aug 31 11:03:22 UTC 2018, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > * Use hg or other trackers if you can. > > why? It's already oh so difficult to get people make decent commits to > git, where at least I can point to all the world doing that... Bernhard gave some good reasons but I can think of anot

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Besnik Bleta
> convincing more than 18 thousand people code paid by > public money should be published as Free Software Funny that you declare you don't know the "demos" of the fellowship, although we pay (I myself no more) the membership fee through channels that easily let identify who we are and on the ot

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-31 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Am Freitag 31 August 2018 13:03:22 schrieb Alessandro Rubini: > > * Use hg or other trackers if you can. > > why? It's already oh so difficult to get people make decent commits to > git, where at least I can point to all the world doing that... * Because having a choice is good. If git is to becam

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 31. August 2018 13.03.22 Alessandro Rubini wrote: > > But I have a question for Berhnard, who says among other things I agree > with: > > * Use hg or other trackers if you can. > > why? It's already oh so difficult to get people make decent commits to > git, where at least I can point t

Re: What should the FSFE provide

2018-08-31 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Paul, Am Donnerstag 30 August 2018 21:56:58 schrieb Paul Boddie: > Thank you for indulging me in this discussion which has probably covered > more ground already than many previous discussions on some of these topics. > My apologies if this is a long message. no problem, you are welcome! Thank

Re: to git or not to git

2018-08-31 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Thanks to all who replied. Let me comment a little on these recomendations, suggested by Bastien: >>https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html >>https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.en.html To which Bernhard (and Sandro) noted: > Not taking new developments into acco

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Stefan Uygur
Thanks Bernhard for your prompt reply. I know and have been part of communities like FSFE for the last 20+ yrs and represented some of them as president. So I will leave it to your imagination how many episodes like this one I have come across. I am not criticizing FSFE, even though there are thi

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Stefan, Am Freitag 31 August 2018 09:59:32 schrieb Stefan Uygur: > can the legal representative of FSFE > answer to these questions once for all pls? it is not that easy, as it is okay to critise us, FSFE, its president and members in principle and some of the points are raised as general qu

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Reinhard Müller
Dear all, Am 2018-08-31 um 09:51 schrieb Sam Liddicott: > I love how you trimmed " It is not necessary to name anybody" and then > go on about avoidable name-calling while failing to avoid it yourself. I see that this came across much more agressive than it was intended. I apologize to everybody

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Stefan Uygur
Gentlemen and ladies, Independently of who is right and who is wrong in this long and annoying discussion, instead of back and forth, can the legal representative of FSFE answer to these questions once for all pls? The legal representative in this case is the president from whom l haven't seen a s

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Sam Liddicott
I love how you trimmed " It is not necessary to name anybody" and then go on about avoidable name-calling while failing to avoid it yourself. Sam On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 10:22 Reinhard Müller, wrote: > Am 2018-08-29 um 11:05 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > > If you don't have time to meet people person

Re: who has time for the GA? (was: terminating memberships responsibly)

2018-08-31 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hello, Am Donnerstag 30 August 2018 17:28:50 schrieb Mirko Boehm: > > On 30. Aug 2018, at 07:34, Carsten Agger wrote: > > Many NGOs that I know of are run as traditional associations, with a > > yearly general assembly as te highest authority, a board elected by the > > participants at the gener