Re: Mozilla first, now FSFE?

2018-03-23 Thread C . Cossé
In all seriousness, I personally don't give a fuck about FSF/E's stance on FB. I've been on FB about 10x today. It allows me to connect with the people I love, like and value. They don't give 2 F's about FSF values and it's not for me to proselytize to them. That has nothing to do with my relat

Mozilla first, now FSFE?

2018-03-23 Thread J.B. Nicholson
C. Cossé wrote: To me it's a question of consistency: does FSFE not agree with FSF? RMS says "absolutely no to Facebook", so then? I asked about a similar bit of FSFE policy on 2017-07-26 and is archived https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2017-July/011731.html As you can see the r

Re: Call for Participation: FSFE track during LSM/RMLL 2018 in Strasbourg

2018-03-23 Thread Mirko Boehm
Hello, I regret that I won’t be able to attend RMLL in Strasbourg. Instead I will be somewhere in California. Cheers, Mirko. > On 23. Mar 2018, at 14:47, Max Mehl wrote: > > This is to let you know that the Call for Participation for the FSFE's > dedicated track during RMLL/LSM 2018 in Stras

jobs wanted

2018-03-23 Thread Andreas Nilsson
Hi FSFE. I am about to quit my current job as a web developer at a company office. I look for other jobs at freelancer sites, contacts and brokers. I have experience in C or C-like programming languages, as well as two years experience in office web development in Javascript with NodeJS/MongoDB.

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
> The FSFE is also present on LinkedIn, as far as I remember, and I regard that > service in a similarly negative way, in the sense that it is effectively a > data-mining exercise for some division of Microsoft. Speaking of LinkedIn, I noticed that it doesn't federate also. Morever, some months

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 23. March 2018 14.40.58 Max Mehl wrote: > > That said, I think the only purpose the FSFE's FB page currently serves > is that 1. the name is taken to prevent hoaxers from imitating an > "official" page, and 2. for people to find us if they – for whatever > crazy reason – try to search us

Call for Participation: FSFE track during LSM/RMLL 2018 in Strasbourg

2018-03-23 Thread Max Mehl
Hi all, This is to let you know that the Call for Participation for the FSFE's dedicated track during RMLL/LSM 2018 in Strasbourg, France, has opened. We are looking forward to interesting presentations, workshop proposals, and your participation in France's largest Free Software event. Please re

Re: Mozilla: "=?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_taking_a_break_from?= Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Max Mehl
# Paul Boddie [2018-03-23 14:02 +0100]: > Facebook to promote themselves, FSFE included, and this merely enables the > perpetrators of these misdeeds and crimes because it draws people in thinking > that they can (and should) do all their online business via such sites, and > that if the likes o

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 23. March 2018 11.12.14 psutton wrote: > > try and leave facebook and it nags you and you're made to feel guilty > you have left. Yes, one "farewell page" I have seen tries to make you feel like you're betraying your friends by abandoning them. To be fair, you really would be doing th

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread bruno
Jonke Suhr ha scritto: [...] (Non-tracked link to the source: https://web.archive.org/web/20180323091845/https://de-de.facebook.com/mozilla/posts/10156139176287381) What do you guys think? Nice move, I'd appreciate FSFE explicitely "pausing" its Facebook activity. At the same time the Dia

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
> irregardless of the split in our community between privacy pragmatists > and privacy absolutists, I think we should take note of this step > Mozilla has taken, as I believe FSFE still has a Facebook page (last > active on September 21st as far as I can ascertain). I would also like to note that

Re: [UK] Information about the think tank Doteveryone

2018-03-23 Thread Jonke Suhr
Am 20.03.2018 um 19:12 schrieb Adonay Felipe Nogueira: > Is everything going OK in that periodic check? I don't know that, but I'm happy they mention FOSS in their Ethical Design Manifesto: https://2017.ind.ie/ethical-design/ ___ Discussion mailing list

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread psutton
Or like the Eagles said about Hotel California 'you can check out any time you like,  but you can never leave,' try and leave facebook and it nags you and you're made to feel guilty you have left. Paul On 23/03/18 10:07, Bastien Guerry wrote: > David Gerard writes: > >> The problem with Facebo

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Bastien Guerry
David Gerard writes: > The problem with Facebook is that it's the worst bar in town and the > bouncers are horrible, but it's also the only one where you can find > everyone. It is also the only bar where bartenders track your lives to make sure you get completely drunk and stay there forever.

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread psutton
On 23/03/18 09:49, Jonke Suhr wrote: > Am 23.03.2018 um 10:30 schrieb psutton: >> How about joining Diaspora,   the community would really like more big >> players like Mozilla on board so that you can engage  in the community >> and that also encourags others to come to Diaspora. > FSFE is alrea

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Jonke Suhr
Am 23.03.2018 um 10:30 schrieb psutton: > How about joining Diaspora,   the community would really like more big > players like Mozilla on board so that you can engage  in the community > and that also encourags others to come to Diaspora. FSFE is already on Diaspora, I recommend everyone to follo

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread psutton
My counter argument to the only 'place to find everyone' is to join Diaspora etc anyway,  tell  people know, you are on there,  it lessens the argument   small steps,   that is all it generally takes.   Once you are on these other networks people have a reason to join,  and hopefully eventually mov

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread psutton
Sure but uf you're using FB to spread the word on privacy and freesoftware,  you probably get mocked or trolled and when this sort of thing breaks the news headlines,  you can smugly say 'told you so' I have said this before sometimes I think you need to join the enemy in order to spread your vie

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Stefan Umit Uygur
Totally agree for instance, I am not on nor even been on facebook On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 23/03/18 10:32, David Gerard wrote: > > The problem with Facebook is that it's the worst bar in town and the > > bouncers are horrible, but it's also the only

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 23/03/18 10:32, David Gerard wrote: > The problem with Facebook is that it's the worst bar in town and the > bouncers are horrible, but it's also the only one where you can find > everyone. > Please don't spread myths You won't find everyone on facebook, that is a fact

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread C . Cossé
To me it's a question of consistency: does FSFE not agree with FSF? RMS says "absolutely no to Facebook", so then? On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 3:32 AM, David Gerard wrote: > The problem with Facebook is that it's the worst bar in town and the > bouncers are horrible, but it's also the only one whe

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread psutton
Hi How about joining Diaspora,   the community would really like more big players like Mozilla on board so that you can engage  in the community and that also encourags others to come to Diaspora. https://diasporafoundation.org/ https://joindiaspora.com/i/29e3c17d2ef2   - join link for the joind

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread David Gerard
The problem with Facebook is that it's the worst bar in town and the bouncers are horrible, but it's also the only one where you can find everyone. So the question is its tactical usefulness for outreach versus its awfulness. On 23 March 2018 at 09:20, Jonke Suhr wrote: > Hey all, > > irregardle

Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

2018-03-23 Thread Jonke Suhr
Hey all, irregardless of the split in our community between privacy pragmatists and privacy absolutists, I think we should take note of this step Mozilla has taken, as I believe FSFE still has a Facebook page (last active on September 21st as far as I can ascertain). > Dear global community we’ve