Hi,
"J.B. Nicholson" writes:
> Trying to manage other people's feelings, or framing issues in terms
> of "negative" (and presumably "positive") language is a wasteful
> distraction that doesn't address substantive issues we can solve with
> software freedom.
I think figuring out how people migh
Hi Daniel,
I think the question of negative campaigning is very interesting. I
would say that while pointing out flaws technically falls in the realm
of negative campaigning, it is far from what I mostly associate with the
term: Attack ads in American elections. Those are vicious and often
cont
Hi J.B.,
>I have to wonder: if FSFE is seriously getting caught up in framing
>debates
>like this, is FSFE an open source advocacy group or a free software
>advocacy group?
We're neither, and both. We do prefer to speak of free software, and try to be
consistent in this. We do not, however, co
Daniel Pocock wrote:
This was raised by Jonas in the thread about proprietary software, but
it is a completely different topic, so I'm starting this thread about
it: "we also don't do negative campaigning overall. We tell people they
should use Free Software; we don't tell them what software they
Il giorno mer 26 lug 2017 alle 12:14, Daniel Pocock
ha scritto:
[...]
Is it negative to say, for example, "Debian doesn't send 10,000
telemetry reports per day" and hope the user realizes we are comparing
to Microsoft Windows 10?
If I was in somebody's house and I saw their kitchen had cau
Il giorno mer 26 lug 2017 alle 13:28, Ioli Papadopoulou
ha scritto:
Excellent topic; thank you for bringing it up.
Avoiding negative language will help us become BETTER ambassadors of
FOSS. Negative language creates negative feelings about us!
We can simply take lessons from other indust
In regards to the use of (free/libre software unfriendly) network
services only for advertising campaigns: I'm not sure if FSFE should go
that far as to do the advertising themselves. I think so because,
suppose the advertising is done by FSFE, from here on I assume that FSFE
will only publish the
Hi Mat,
> Given each org already has a charitable approach to subs leaving the
> choice to the individual may be the best strategy.
For the FSFE and FSF, this is clearly what we do. Which organisation you
support financially or with your volunteer time should depend on which
organisation you feel
On 26/07/17 15:46, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> About this phrase:
>
> "Are there any services we list which don't work with Free Software?"
>
> I would extend it to:
>
> "Does they make the visitor/guest/user use non-free software through
> JavaScript?"
>
> If the answer to the above ques
About this phrase:
"Are there any services we list which don't work with Free Software?"
I would extend it to:
"Does they make the visitor/guest/user use non-free software through
JavaScript?"
If the answer to the above question is "yes", then mark the button with
a special color or symbol, wit
> In fact, I’m *really* _really_ surprised so many people agree
> with using Facebook for spreading FLOSS values... guys???!
+1 if the "person spreading FLOSS values" is a free/libre software
activist/supporter/proponent, not simply a free/libre software user.
_
Hi Hugo,
Hugo Roy writes:
> Any case studies on how the world dealt to react quickly and update
> systems in reponse to Heartbleed for instance?
I remember blackduck had some reports comparing FLOSS/non-FLOSS with
respect to their security, I found this, but I’m sure there are more
detailed doc
Hi Mat,
let’s simply agree to disagree.
Witts writes:
> If you don't think joining Facebook is an effective strategy to persuade
> people to leave FB then that's your choice, but I am not saying
> 'Facebook is fine', I am saying something like 'using facebook is fine
> for the sole purpose of c
Is the FSFE planning anything on the GDPR?
European data protection law and cybersecurity strategy/policy talks a
lot of talk about safeguarding 'individual freedom' in relation to
Madrid protocol and so forth but no mention of Free Software.
Here's one example...
The General Data Protection Reg
Hi everyone,
I'm looking for case studies on security and free software, in
particular the differences in how the world can respond to the discovery
of important vulnerabilities/exploits on free software vs. proprietary
software.
Any case studies on how the world dealt to react quickly and updat
Hi Bastien.
Great logic... but I qualified this tactic by restricting it to the aim
of converting people to FS, nothing else where it could (and probably
is) contradictory to the FSFE aims of course.
My writing is semantically loose in that polemic... but by 'Free
Software' I meant only in terms
There will be pros and cons. because the legislative, historical and
cultural context of the institutions and the FS movement in Europe is
not the same as the US making joint policy agreements perhaps marginally
sub-optimal for FSF and FSFE.
>From the perspective of members of both organizations t
Hi Mat,
I strongly (but kindly!) disagree with your position.
Mat Witts writes:
> While they are using Facebook, a dogmatic approach will NOT be
> contradictory, it is consistent with political activism in the same way
> anti-capitalist campaigns still need money to run, Free Software needs
> F
On Wed, 2017-04-05 at 20:12 +0200, Nico Rikken wrote:
> Please share the results of your effort.
>
Sorry for the delayed response. It seems the effort went in vain. I
guess the mail didn't cross the moderator, for some reason.
--
Kaartic
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Excellent topic;
thank you for bringing it up.
Avoiding negative language will help us become BETTER
ambassadors of FOSS. Negative language creates negative feelings
about us!
We can simply take lessons from other industries facing the same
On 07/26/2017 12:14 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> This was raised by Jonas in the thread about proprietary software, but
> it is a completely different topic, so I'm starting this thread about
> it: "we also don't do negative campaigning overall. We tell people they
> should use Free Software; we do
This was raised by Jonas in the thread about proprietary software, but
it is a completely different topic, so I'm starting this thread about
it: "we also don't do negative campaigning overall. We tell people they
should use Free Software; we don't tell them what software they should
not be using."
On 26.07.2017 10:05, Max Mehl wrote:
> # mray [2017-07-25 22:36 +0200]:
>> Services that could potentially be harmful aren't the issue. It is about
>> not explicitly stating that we know some of them *are definitively*
>> harmful. Yet all we say is: "Be vigilant, somewhere danger is lurking!"
>
On 26/07/17 10:42, Max Mehl wrote:
> # Jonas Oberg [2017-07-26 11:27 +0200]:
>>> Good point but not easy to answer. All services can be viewed with a
>>> Free Software browser but e.g. Facebook tries to convince you of
>>> downloading the non-free Messenger app (you cannot even write FB
>>> messa
# Jonas Oberg [2017-07-26 11:27 +0200]:
Good point but not easy to answer. All services can be viewed with a
Free Software browser but e.g. Facebook tries to convince you of
downloading the non-free Messenger app (you cannot even write FB
messages on your mobile browser anymore IIRC). LibreJS may
On 26/07/17 10:53, Max Mehl wrote:
> Hi Jonas,
>
> # Jonas Oberg [2017-07-26 10:37 +0200]:
>>> Some services are Free Software unfriendly and harm your privacy.
>>
>> Are there any services we list which don't work with Free Software? If
>> so,
>> I think it's best to state that:
>>
>> Some s
Hi Max,
> Good point but not easy to answer. All services can be viewed with a
> Free Software browser but e.g. Facebook tries to convince you of
> downloading the non-free Messenger app (you cannot even write FB
> messages on your mobile browser anymore IIRC). LibreJS may also warn its
> users wi
Hi Jonas,
# Jonas Oberg [2017-07-26 10:37 +0200]:
Some services are Free Software unfriendly and harm your privacy.
Are there any services we list which don't work with Free Software? If so,
I think it's best to state that:
Some services don't work with Free Software or harm your privacy.
Hi Max,
> Some services are Free Software unfriendly and harm your privacy.
Are there any services we list which don't work with Free Software? If so,
I think it's best to state that:
Some services don't work with Free Software or harm your privacy.
If all services we list can be connected t
# mray [2017-07-25 22:36 +0200]:
Services that could potentially be harmful aren't the issue. It is about
not explicitly stating that we know some of them *are definitively*
harmful. Yet all we say is: "Be vigilant, somewhere danger is lurking!"
I get your point and start to believe that we cou
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