Re: dual FSF and FSFE membership

2017-07-24 Thread Jonas Oberg
Hi Erik, > We could also take this idea further and incorporate a "Free Software > Organization Of The World" (or something like that), where organizations > like the FSFE, FSF, FSFLA etc. could be represented. I would support this, and it's actually similar to what we had in mind for the long te

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24 July 2017 15:05:51 CEST, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: >Indeed. > >I also agree with this. > >As a subject for another topic, here are other analogies that don't >quite work as we'd expect: > >- "Non-free software is like slavery". However, it isn't, because the > user still has the ultimat

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Indeed. I also agree with this. As a subject for another topic, here are other analogies that don't quite work as we'd expect: - "Non-free software is like slavery". However, it isn't, because the user still has the ultimate choice of not using the non-free software, no matter how much the s

Re: dual FSF and FSFE membership

2017-07-24 Thread Erik Grun
Hello, Fellows, On 07/19/2017 12:34 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > (this was also queried on the FSF LibrePlanet list[1]) > 1. > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2017-07/msg00011.html I also think that it would be nice, if the several Free Software organisations worked stronger

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24 July 2017 14:33:04 CEST, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > >On July 24, 2017 2:24:31 PM GMT+02:00, Daniel Pocock > wrote: >>On 24/07/17 14:18, Reinhard Müller wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Am 2017-07-24 um 14:14 schrieb Daniel Pocock: Why don't we go through all the messages in this thread and replace

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Nikos Roussos
On July 24, 2017 2:24:31 PM GMT+02:00, Daniel Pocock wrote: >On 24/07/17 14:18, Reinhard Müller wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Am 2017-07-24 um 14:14 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >>> Why don't we go through all the messages in this thread and replace >the >>> words "social media" with "mass surveillance"? >> an

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24/07/17 14:18, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Hi, > > Am 2017-07-24 um 14:14 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> Why don't we go through all the messages in this thread and replace the >> words "social media" with "mass surveillance"? > an interesting point. > > Should FSFE, for example, refuse to present itse

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Am 2017-07-24 um 14:14 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > Why don't we go through all the messages in this thread and replace the > words "social media" with "mass surveillance"? an interesting point. Should FSFE, for example, refuse to present itself at locations where surveillance cameras are presen

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24/07/17 11:48, Xavi Drudis Ferran wrote: > > What I mean is maybe we _should_ debate if social media should or not > be part of our life (or which social media or whatever). And once > there's a position on that it'll be easier to decide whether to use it. Why don't we go through all the mes

Re: Is it acceptable to use proprietary software (platforms) to promote software freedom?

2017-07-24 Thread Xavi Drudis Ferran
El Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 07:03:41AM +, Evaggelos Balaskas deia: > Social media are now part of our life (I am not debating if they should or > not), > but diminish them to cat videos is a strong opinion. Ok, careful. I remember a company once making me believe they didn't consider me a human