Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread Heath Hunnicutt
I wonder, since you are emulating the crystal output, if the R820T would ordinarily drive the crystal to rail-to-rail, square wave output. It might be worthwhile using a high impedence probe to see what the signal you are replacing looks like. I say this because the elonics patent suggests that s

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread juha
I use R820T. It has nonzero IF and the noise is relatively flat. The clock looks sawtooth-like on the scope. Juha On 26.9.2013, at 18.32, Heath Hunnicutt wrote: > Juha, > > Ordinarily, I would choose to feed a clock into xtal_in, this seems logical. > However check out the Elonics patent: >

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/26/2013 06:32 PM, Heath Hunnicutt wrote: Juha, Ordinarily, I would choose to feed a clock into xtal_in, this seems logical. However check out the Elonics patent: http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week49/OG/html/1385-1/US08324978-20121204.html The main thing to note is that square-wa

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread Heath Hunnicutt
Bah!!! The main thing to note is that the e4000 expects a clock input on XTAL_OUT. That's right, the patent says that out can be an in, for the e4000. Sorry I made a post in which I made a thought mistake and typed the opposite. -- View this message in context: http://gnuradio.4.n7.nabble.co

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread Heath Hunnicutt
Juha, Ordinarily, I would choose to feed a clock into xtal_in, this seems logical. However check out the Elonics patent: http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week49/OG/html/1385-1/US08324978-20121204.html The main thing to note is that square-wave clock input should be fed to xtal_in for the

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread Marcus Leech
Well, I certainly would be keen to hear your further reports on this. One thing to consider is that if you're going to build a fan-out buffer, you might as well build a 28.8MHz source using one of the easily-available 14.4Mhz TCXOs that are "out there", and design   a doubler--this will give you a

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-26 Thread Juha Vierinen
Hi, I modified my clock sharing so that I only insert a signal in the Xtal_In pin of other dongle. This way I won't have two circuits driving the same crystal, as Ian pointed out. The pin next to the edge of the dongle turned out to be the Xtal_In pin (the input of the opamp on the slave dongle).

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-25 Thread Marcus Leech
Hmmm, interesting.Was this with E4000 tuners, or R820T tuners?   What was your exact test setup, tuned-frequency, etc?       on Sep 25, 2013, Juha Vierinen wrote: Hi guys,   Based on my very limited understanding on electronics, osclilators and other such things, I would expect oscillator effects

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/25/2013 12:04 AM, Jared Clements wrote: Hi Marcus, Interesting discussion. I was wondering how well synchronized clocking might work. Was hoping it would work better than it sounds. Could you quantify the level of phase noise you're seeing, like with a power spectral density plot?

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/24/2013 04:57 PM, Ian Buckley wrote: Marcus, (appreciate you may have done a lot more than your brief description above, but just in case….) The type of cheap 2 pin oscillator used with the Realtek chips will be connected across an internal inverting buffer amplifier in the IC with shun

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-24 Thread Ian Buckley
On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Ian Buckley wrote: > On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > >> On 09/23/2013 10:59 AM, Juha Vierinen wrote: >>> >>> I was playing around with the rtl_sdr dongles and came up with a trivial >>> hack to build a receiver with multiple coherent channe

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-24 Thread Ian Buckley
On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > On 09/23/2013 10:59 AM, Juha Vierinen wrote: >> >> I was playing around with the rtl_sdr dongles and came up with a trivial >> hack to build a receiver with multiple coherent channels. I do this >> basically by unsoldering the quartz clock

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 09/23/2013 10:59 AM, Juha Vierinen wrote: I was playing around with the rtl_sdr dongles and came up with a trivial hack to build a receiver with multiple coherent channels. I do this basically by unsoldering the quartz clock on the slave units and cable the clock from the master rtl dongle t

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] dual coherent channel rtl_sdr

2013-09-23 Thread Marcus D. Leech
I did a similar experiment with R820T based dongles using an external high quality reference and a common signal source. The results were poor with a lot of mutual phase noise between two dongles. What sample rates did you try and was this E4000 or R820T tuners? -- Principal Investigator Shir