Re: FLL Band-Edge

2021-01-15 Thread Marcus Müller
Hard questions! On 15.01.21 23:40, Kristoff wrote: > Doesn't a PLL also track the frequency of the source (in addition to its > phase)? * PLL: Able to *correct* small frequency errors: yes, but a frequency error in a first-order phase control loop will pose a constant offset error, thus still lea

Re: FLL Band-Edge

2021-01-15 Thread Kristoff
"FLL band-edge block". Doesn't a PLL also track the frequency of the source (in addition to its phase)? So what would be the reason to use a FLL and not a PLL? Kristoff On 15/01/2021 9:56 a.m., Marcus Müller wrote: Pretty much. The FLL band edge system in GNU Radio does

Re: FLL Band-Edge

2021-01-15 Thread Marcus Müller
Pretty much. The FLL band edge system in GNU Radio does the following: 1. have a filter that extracts the energy "around the place where the upper edge of where the signal is supposed to be", and around the lower edge 2. compares energies in both 3. multiplies the signal with e^

Re: FLL Band-Edge

2021-01-14 Thread Jeff Long
I think the general idea is that some signals have no carrier that a PLL could lock onto. The FLL Band-Edge centers a signal using the shape of a specific signal (the matched filter being used). On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 6:55 PM Kristoff wrote: > Hi all, > > > I have been reading some

FLL Band-Edge

2021-01-14 Thread Kristoff
Hi all, I have been reading some more on PSK demodulation. One of the PSK signals I can easily pick and and is available 24h/day is the telemetry signal on QO100. I found a flowgraph from Daniel Estevez that decodes the QO100 telemetry, so I started examining how it works. In that flowgrap

[Discuss-gnuradio] Loop bandwidth problem of FLL Band Edge block

2017-05-11 Thread Hector Wang
constellation_soft_decoder1.grc <http://gnuradio.4.n7.nabble.com/file/n63845/constellation_soft_decoder1.grc> Hello, I am learning the example constellation_soft_decoder.grc in gr_digital/examples directory,I add a FLL Band Edge block before the clock sync block. Howerver it doesn'

[Discuss-gnuradio] FLL Band Edge Block

2016-06-10 Thread Wilson A N
Hi everyone, I am replicating the fll bandedge block code to my oot module. It seems that whenever I call the constructor of the control_loop I get the following error gr-wsync1/lib/freqtime_sync1_impl.cc:61:77: error: type ‘gr::blocks::control_loop’ is not a direct or virtual base of ‘gr::wsync1

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] FLL Band-Edge Detectors: Literature?

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Rondeau
than just generating any random >> band edge filter. >> >> In theory, this should work for any signal using an RRC pulse shaping. >> For specific constellations, you could use a Costas loop with a wider >> lock in bandwidth to handle the frequency offset. >> >&

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] FLL Band-Edge Detectors: Literature?

2012-10-02 Thread Martin Braun (CEL)
work for any signal using an RRC pulse shaping. > For specific constellations, you could use a Costas loop with a wider > lock in bandwidth to handle the frequency offset. > > Oh, and I might be the only one who calls this the "FLL band edge > filter" specifically to p

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] FLL Band-Edge Detectors: Literature?

2012-10-01 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Nazmul Islam wrote: > Hello, > > Frederic Harris's "Multirate Signal Processing: for communication systems" > has a section on FLL band edge sync. I think that the GR-digital code was > designed based on these algorithms. Tom or

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] FLL Band-Edge Detectors: Literature?

2012-10-01 Thread Nazmul Islam
Hello, Frederic Harris's "Multirate Signal Processing: for communication systems" has a section on FLL band edge sync. I think that the GR-digital code was designed based on these algorithms. Tom or other GNUradio block designers can verify it. Thanks, Nazmul On Mon, Oct 1, 2

[Discuss-gnuradio] FLL Band-Edge Detectors: Literature?

2012-10-01 Thread Martin Braun (CEL)
Hi, is there any literature that goes with the FLL synch blocks in gr-digital? Ironically, Google always points me to the GR source files when I search for 'fll band edge' related topics. M -- Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) Communications Engineering Lab (CEL) Dipl.-I