Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras
.@gnu.org] On Behalf Of > Martin Braun > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 5:26 PM > To: Pengyu Zhang > Cc: Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org > Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP > > Can you give us some details (frequency, number of antennas) that you want > to hav

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread Martin Braun
On 03.03.2015 08:41, Pengyu Zhang wrote: Martin - I am thinking about doing beam forming around 900MHz. The number of antennas that I want to use is around 8x8. I am thinking about using USRP N210+SBX+OctoClock-G suggested by ettus. But not sure how much phase mis-alignment will I observe. In t

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread Pengyu Zhang
Martin - I am thinking about doing beam forming around 900MHz. The number of antennas that I want to use is around 8x8. I am thinking about using USRP N210+SBX+OctoClock-G suggested by ettus. But not sure how much phase mis-alignment will I observe. Marcus - Thanks for the tips. Maybe I should loo

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread mleech
Pengyu: I think people tend to do it differently, depending on the particular application. In radio astronomy, they typically point the array at a well-characterized "calibrator source" and make phase measurements, and then tweak based on known baseline geometries. For commercial MIMO, using

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread Pengyu Zhang
Marcus - I am thinking about sending a training signal using one TX antenna and figure out the phases of other antennas by looking at the maximum correlation. Does this sound like a reasonable solution for a practical mimo system? On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:44 AM, wrote: > Pengyu: > > I think pe

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread Martin Braun
Can you give us some details (frequency, number of antennas) that you want to have? A lot of people have done MIMO with USRPs, up to 100x100 antennas, so there is some precedent. For beam forming, you'll need very good phase alignment, depending on what you're planning to set up. This is alway

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread mleech
Indeed, I should have emphasized that despite having features like "phase resynch", in any *practical* phased-array, you'll still need some mechanism for calibrating the phase centers of all your antenna. Differential environmental factors can, for example, affect the phasing of the antenna feed

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread mleech
If you use the phase-resynch feature of the SBX card, and you have common refclock and 1PPS across all your USRPs in the array, then you should be OK. In *general*, synthesized downconverters use fractional-N synthesizers where their starting phase after a re-tune is random with respect to an

[Discuss-gnuradio] mimo beam forming on USRP

2015-03-03 Thread Pengyu Zhang
Hi Guys, I am planning to build a mimo system which supports beam forming. Is USRP a good platform for my target? I do not want to use WARP because I need to operate at frequencies lower than 2.4GHz. A potential problem of USRP is phase alignment. As the following doc suggests, phase alignment ca